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vano merabiSvilis
Sss-s ministrobidan
gadayeneba erTaderT
mizans emsaxureba _
xelisufleba
biZina ivaniSvilTan
`saomrad~ da mis dasaWerad emzadeba!
_ danamdvilebiT viciT, rom xelisufleba biZi-
na ivaniSvilis likvidacias gegmavs _ acxadebs koa-
liciis erT-erTi saxe.
Tu marTlac danamdvilebiT iciT es ambavi, ras
daatarebT am adamians Sesawiri zvarakiviT iseT ad-
gilebSi, sadac teraqtis mowyoba uadvilesi saqmea?
biZina ivaniSvilisgamosvlis teqsti 1 ivlisis aqciaze, mcxeTaSi
me, 86 wlis rezo CxeiZe, TiTqmis yvela regionSi kardakar
davdivar da adamianebs movuwodeb,
rom SiSi daZlion
vinc merabiSvilis premier-ministrad daniSvnas miesalma, isini saqarTvelos politikur da sulier sikvdils miesalmnen
dadgeba dro, roca am qveynis mosaxleobasecodineba, ra xdeboda
dRes, ise, rogorc Cven viciT, ra moxda
37-ian wlebSi
bolo dros ase mexumrebian: _
momRerali xom xar da xar,
mweralicyofilxar,
Jurnalistic... `maliaric~xom ar xar, biWoo?!
`araCveulebrivinacizmi~ _
aCveneT es filmi saqarTvelos da miSasgan aRaraferi
darCeba!
rezo CxeiZe: elizbar javeliZe: sandro baramiZe:
Temur Wkuaseli: amiran amiranaSvili:
#30 (214) 4-10.VII.2012 weli gamodis yovel oTxSabaTs www.saertogazeti.net; E-mail: saertogazeti@yahoo.com fasi 1 lari
mereTi, adgili sadac omi jer ar damTavrebula
saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.2
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ss ,,qarTu jgufis“
xelmZRvanelobis
g a n c x a d e b a
ss ,,qarTu jgufis“ xelmZRvaneloba uflebamosilia ga-
nacxados, rom guSin, saRamos 18.00 saaTze, aRsrulebis
erovnulma biurom batoni biZina ivaniSvilisaTvis dakisre-
buli jarimis uzrunvelsayofad, sajaro auqcionze gaita-
na ss ,,qarTu jgufis“ aqciaTa 100 procenti, maT Soris ss
,,banki qarTus“ aqciaTa sruli paketi, miuxedavad imisa, rom
arc erT am saaqcio sazogadoebaSi batoni biZina ivaniSvi-
li ar flobs arc erT cal aqcias (!?)
meore mxriv, batonma biZina ivaniSvilma gaakeTa sajaro
gancxadeba, romelSic aRniSna, rom igi saqarTveloSi ar
flobs aranair bizness. es dasturdeba ss ,,qarTu jgufis“
aqciebis axali mflobelebis mier gamogzavnili yidva–ga-
yidvis xelSekrulebebiT, romelTa Tanaxmadac, jer kidev
a.w 30 aprils TerTmetma ucxourma kompaniam SeiZina jgu-
fis aqciaTa 91,74 procenti; amasTan, arc erTi maTgani ar
flobs aqciaTa 10 procentsa da mets, rac aTavisuflebT
maT, rogorc ss ,,banki qarTus“ beneficiar mflobelebs, sa-
qarTvelos erovnul bankTan SeZenis faqtis winaswari Se-
Tanxmebis sakanonmdeblo valdebulebebisagan da absolutu-
rad usafuZvlos xdis qveynis centraluri bankis gancxade-
bas garigebaTa baTilobis Sesaxeb.
samwuxarod, dRemde Cvenamde ver moaRwia ucxoeTidan
fostiT ukve orjer gamogzavnilma sadamfuZneblo dokumen-
taciam, rac seriozul eWvebs badebs, rom specialurad ib-
lokeba CvenTvis ase aucilebeli korespondencia.
xazgasasmelia is garemoebac, rom
gaxsnili sajaro auqcioni aSkara farsia,radganac erT lotad iyideba ss ,,qarTu jgu-fis“ aqciaTa 100 procenti da maT Soris, ss,,banki qarTus“ aqciaTa mTliani paketi, rom-lis SemZensac aucileblad winaswar undahqondes saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis Tanx-moba, rac miuRwevelia faruli auqcionisSemTxvevaSi.
Sedegad, auqcionze ss ,,qarTu jgufis“ aqciaTa paketis
SemZeni romc gamoCndes, garigeba apriori baTili iqneba da
qoneba saxelmwifos sakuTrebaSi gadava – swored es aris
xelisuflebis mizani da ara Tundac ukanonod dakisrebu-
li jarimis Tanxis amoReba.
veraviTar kritikas ver uZlebs qonebis Sefasebis gamo-
yenebuli praqtikac – mxolod ss ,,banki qarTus“ aqciis Ri-
rebulebis Sefasebas msoflios wamyvani auditoruli fir-
mebi minimum erT Tves moandomebdnen. arsebuli Sefaseba ba-
debs agreTve safuZvlian eWvs, rom baton biZina ivaniSvil-
ze dakisrebuli jarimis Tanxa ubralod gaormagebulia, ra-
Ta Semdgom auqcionis wesebiT SeemcirebinaT jarimis Tan-
xis odenobamde.
ss ,,qarTu jgufis“ xelmZRvaneloba mou-wodebs saqarTvelos xelisuflebas, daub-rundes saqarTvelos sakanonmdeblo CarCo-ebs da Sewyvitos ucxoeTis moqalaqeebiskuTvnili qonebebis eqspropriaciis ukanonoprocesi, SeaCeros sajaro auqcioni, miscessaSualeba damfuZneblebs, ganaxorcielonqonebis flobisa da gankargvis legitimuriufleba.
yvelaferi, rasac es xelisufleba bolo xaneb-
Si akeTebs, erTaderT amocanas emsaxureba _ ro-
gorme SeaCeros biZina ivaniSvilis triumfaluri
svla dasaxuli miznisken.
mTeli es axali samoqmedo gegma, romelic xe-
lisuflebam didi zar-zeimiT SemogvTavaza, mTeli
es winasaarCevno Souebi da demokratiaze calyba
saubrebi, viTom arCevnebisTvis gacxovelebuli
samzadisi, yvelaferi es Tavidan bolomde blefia
_ xelisuflebas sxva sawuxari, sxva satkivari,
sxva problema ara aqvs garda erTisa _ radac ar
unda daujdes, nebismieri gziT, nebismieri meTo-
debiT gzidan CamoiSoros biZina ivaniSvili.
vano merabiSvilis Sss ministro-bidan gadayeneba da premier-minist-rad `dawinaurebac~ pirdapir da uSu-alod biZina ivaniSvilis `proble-mas~ ukavSirdeba da sxvas arafers.
xelisuflebam bevri xerxi scada biZina ivaniS-
vilis mosaTviniereblad, magram am mcdelobebma
saTanado Sedegebi ver gamoiRo _ ver gaamarTla
ekonomikurma sanqciebma da zRvarsgadasulma ja-
rimebma, ver gaamarTla yovlad ukanono dayadaRe-
bebma, ver moxerxda biZina ivaniSvilisTvis sain-
formacio arxebis gadaketva da an.S.
xelisuflebaSi viRac-viRacebi ukve mixvdnen,
rom ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg ganxorcielebuli es
ekonomikur-finansuri represiebi aucileblad bu-
merangiviT daubrundebaT ukan.
xelisufleba ivaniSvilis CasaZirad SeTiTxni-
li saqmeebiT sinamdvileSi sakuTari danaSaulis
damamtkicebel da mamxilebel dokumentebs agro-
vebs da es dokumentebi, saerTaSoriso samarTlis
sivrceSi gadasuli, adre Tu gvian am xelisufle-
bis gamamtyunebel dokumentebad iqceva.
ar imuSava saxelisuflo sainformacio saSua-
lebebiT ganxorcielebulma usafuZvlo braldebe-
bis da ciliswamebebis samarcxvino kampaniam.
ar gaamarTla ivaniSvilis kompromatirebisT-
vis specialurad daqiravebuli calkeuli poli-
tikuri subieqtebis Tavdadebam da Tavganwirvam _
am mcdelobam ivaniSvilis ki ara swored maTi imi-
ji Seiwira da bolomde gaakotra isini.
xelisuflebas ori gza darCa _ anbeds Seeguos da arCevnebs daelodos,sadac maT gardauvali damarcxebaelodebaT, an nacadi meTodebiT imoq-medos da ivaniSvilze gadamwyveti Se-teva miitanos _ SeTiTxnos mis wina-aRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis saqme,gasces ivaniSvilis dapatimrebis san-qcia, ris Semdegac an marTlac daiWi-ros igi an aiZulos qveynidan wavi-des.
ai, am Zalze rTuli da sarisko saqmis Sems-
ruleblad, rogorc Cans, vano merabiSvili ar ga-
modgeboda, ar gamodgeboda mravali subieqturi
Tu obieqturi mizezis gamo, Tundac imis gamo,
rom policiaSi gatarebuli reforma, romliTac
ase amayobs merabiSvili, swored biZina ivaniSvi-
lis daxmarebiT, SeiZleba iTqvas, misi Tanaavto-
robiT ganxorcielda da, amdenad, cxadia, merabiS-
vili ivaniSvils dasaWerad ver miadgeboda, rad-
gan es iqneboda misi saxelis da avtoritetis sa-
boloo dasamareba.
amitomac saWiro gaxda iseTi axali kadris ga-
moZebna am davalebis Sesasruleblad, romelic bi-
Zina ivaniSvilTan megobrobis da partniorobis
`codviT~ ar iqneboda damZimebuli.
ai, es aris am erTi SexedviT uadgilo da amo-
uxsneli sakadro cvlilebebis Tavi da Tavi, sxva
yvelaferi meorexarisxovani atributi da umniSv-
nelo niuansebia.
giorgi gamezardaSvili
vano merabiSvilis Sss-s ministrobidan gadayeneba
erTaderT mizans emsaxureba _ xelisufleba biZina ivaniSvilTan`saomrad~ da mis dasaWerad emzadeba!
ppoolliicciiaamm ssaarrkkoozziiss ooffiissSSii CCxxrreekkaa CCaaaattaarraa
policiam sarkozis ofisSi Cxreka Caatara. amis Sesa-
xeb informacias RFI avrcelebs.
3 ivliss policiam safrangeTis yofili prezidentis,
nikola sarkozis saxlsa da saadvokato biuroSi Cxreka
Caatara.
SesaZlebelia sarkozi betankuris saqmeSi erT-erTi
figura gaxdes. arsebobs eWvi, rom sarkozis winasaarCev-
no kampania, safrangeTSi yvelaze mdidari qalis, kosme-
tikuri kompania L’Oréal-is mflobelis - lilian betan-
kuris finansebiT ukanonod iqna Catarebuli.
3#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi
didi ambavi da didi xmauria
atexili _ vano merabiSvili pre-
mier-ministrad daniSneso.
ra iyo, xalxo, ase ram SegaS-
foTaT da ase ram agaRelvaT _
vano merabiSvili aqamdec premi-
er-ministri `iyo~, oRond mis Ta-
namdebobas saxeli erqva sxva da
axla, rogorc iqna, is saxeli da-
arqves, rac sinamdvileSi mis
statuss unda rqmeoda _ premier-
ministri.
erqvas, batono, am Cvens baton
vanos premier-ministri, vis ra
uSavdeba amiT?
erTaderTi visac dauSavda, ni-
ka gilauria, romelic ise ibRvi-
reboda misi Camolaborantebis da
merabiSvilis alaborantebis ce-
remonialze, aSkarad etyoboda,
rom Zalian nawyeni da gulnatke-
nia.
ara uSavs, gadava es gilauri
opoziciaSi da iq gaiqarvebs
dards.
am daniSvniT maincdamainc di-
dad gaxarebuli arc merabiSvili
Canda.
Wkviani kacia vano da icis _
xandaxan, roca gawinaureben, swo-
red maSin giTxrian samares.
jerjerobiT saidumlod rCeba,
ratom miiRo saakaSvilma es ga-
dawyvetileba _ vano merabiSvi-
lisadmi gansakuTrebuli ndobis
Tu imis gamo, rom, rogorc ambo-
ben, saakaSvili ukve karga xania
ar endoba merabiSvils da amito-
mac misi `ganiaraReba~ gadawyvita,
rom Sss ufro saimedo vinmes Ca-
abaros da qarTvel xalxTan moma-
val saparlamento `brZolebSi~
Tavi ufro daculad igrZnos.
axali cocxi kargad gviso,
naTqvamia.
saakaSvils axali cocxi sWir-
deba, saprotesto ganwyobis ada-
mianebi kargad rom gacocxos da
Tavidan ukuRmarTi azrebi gamou-
ferTxos.
amboben, merabiSvili didi xa-
lisiT ar iRebda monawileobas im
aRmzrdelobiT-sadamsjelo ope-
raciebSi, romlebic Tavisi gansa-
kuTrebuli sisastikiT daamaxsov-
rda qarTvel xalxs.
is ki ara, imasac amboben, rom
merabiSvili zogjer ukmayofile-
bis gamoxatvasac ar erideboda
saakaSvilis ama Tu im gaumarTle-
beli da araadeqvaturi brZanebis
gamo da Tavis Wkuaze cvlida ze-
modan miRebul samoqmedo gegmas.
aqve imasac Tu gavixsenebT,
rom vano merabiSvili saakaSvi-
lisgan gansxvavebiT, rusuli po-
litikuri elitisTvis friad mi-
saRebi figuraa, SeiZleba vifiq-
roT, rom saakaSvili premierad
merabiSvilis daniSvniT raRac me-
sijs ugzavnis rusebs
da maTTan urTierTo-
bebis aRdgenas cdi-
lobs.
asea Tu isea, cxa-
dia, rom saakaSvilis-
Tvis premieri vano
naklebad saxifaToa,
vidre Sss ministri
vano, romelsac TviT
biZina ivaniSvilic ki
garkveuli simpaTiebiT
uyurebs da misi goni-
erebis da windaxedu-
lebis imedic aqvs.
_ swored biZina ivaniSvilis
gulis mosaklavad daniSna saa-
kaSvilma merabiSvili im postze,
romelzec ivaniSvili pretenzias
acxadebs. am daniSvniT man scada
`Corti~ Caegdo ivaniSvilsa da
merabiSvils Soris da maT Soris
SesaZlo TanamSromlobis Sansi
gaanulao, _ amasac amboben vi-
Rac-viRacebi da arc es varaudia
mTlad ukusagdebi _ biZina iva-
niSvili Tu premierobisTvis ib-
rZolebs, vano merabiSvili pre-
mierobis SenarCunebas Seecdeba,
es ki mxolod im SemTxvevaSi iq-
neba SesaZlebeli, Tu oqtombris
arCevnebSi `nacmoZraoba~ gaimar-
jvebs.
ase rom, batonma vanom yvela-
feri unda gaakeTos imisaTvis,
rom `nacmoZraoba~ umravlesobiT
Sevides parlamentSi, Torem Sss
ministrobam xom mogWama Wiri, ax-
la premierobasTan gamoTxovebac
mouwevs da darCeba gaRletili,
rogorc saakaSvilma Tqva.
enam ar uyivlos am saakaSvils,
kaco, magas iseTi winaswarmetyve-
luri gamoxtomebi aqvs xolme,
kakuliasac ki SeSurdeba.
vano _ qveynis xerxemali, vano
_ qveynis mouravi, vano _ aRmSe-
nebeli, vano _ meurne, vano _
soflis qomagi _ ai, aseTi kaci
moevlina aqamde bedkrul saqarT-
velos mxsnelad da awi ra gvi-
Wirs _ gveSvela da egaa.
jerjerobiT ucnobia vin gax-
deba Sss axali ministri _ axa-
laia, zRulaZe Tu SaSkini?
ar aris gamoricxuli, arCeva-
ni mainc SaSkinze SeCerdes, ma-
gas bavSvebTan policiuri muSa-
obis iseTi didi gamocdileba
aqvs, pirdapir gadmoitans di-
debze da meti arc araferi das-
Wirdeba.
gaxsovT, albaT, Cvens yviTel
Tu moyviTalo-momwvano presaSi
drogamoSvebiT ra skandali aiwe-
oda xolme _ `daiWers Tu ara va-
no merabiSvili mixeil saakaS-
vils~ _ gangaSs texdnen Jurna-
listebi, vano ki mravalmniSvne-
lovnad dumda.
aba, axla daiWiros, Tu magari
biWia...
saakaSvilis am axali kombina-
ciidan es sargebe-
lic aqvs _ ministr
vanos SeiZleba dae-
Wira, premieri vano
ver daiWers, maaS!
xmebi dadis, pre-
mier vanos SeiZleba
Sss ministrobac Se-
uTavsono.
Tu es moxdeba, ma-
Sin vin vis gaskvan-
Cavs, magasac vnaxavT.
_ vanom korufcia
beWebze dadoo, _
brZana saakaSvilma.
marTalia, es beWebze
dadebuli korufcia
imdens mainc axer-
xebs, lamis qveynis
biujeti gamoxras
Signidan, Tumca es ambavi saer-
Tod ra gasaxsenebelia, roca or-
SabaTidan xelisufleba qveynis
ganviTarebis axal, saswaulmoq-
med, saocar programas warmog-
vidgens, ris Semdegac sabolood
avSendebiT da davmSvendebiT.
mokled rom movWraT, cota
xanic moiTmine, Zvirfaso mkiTxve-
lo da sul male gaigeb, vano me-
rabiSvilis premier-ministrad
daniSvna dasja iyo Tu dawinaure-
ba?
vano merabiSvilis premier-ministrad daniSvna _ dasja Tu dawinaureba
4 saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
Cemo Zmebo da debo!
Cemo sayvarelo xalxo!
mogesalmebiT da minda di-
di madloba gadagixadoT aq
SekrebisTvis.
me dRes TqvenTan Sexvedra
gergetidan daviwye, stefanw-
mindasa da fasanaurSic viya-
vi. 14 ivliss fSavSi vapireb
asvlas, CargalSi - vaJaobaze,
duSelebsa da Tianelebsac
vewvevi. yvelgan mival, yvelas
gasaWirs gaviziareb, gpirde-
biT!
mivesalmebi sruliad sa-
qarTvelos!
mivesalmebi mcxeTa-mTia-
neTs - yazbegs, duSeTs, Tia-
neTs, Cvens mouSuSebel tki-
vils - axalgors!
dRes aq, mcxeTaSi, am uZve-
les qarTul miwaze Sevikri-
beT, raTa mxardaWera gamo-
vucxadoT erTmaneTs!
mTisa da baris xalxi aq
saerTo gasaWirma Segvyara -
Tu droze ar vupatroneT, Tu
droze ar mivxedeT, Cveni sam-
Soblo xelidan gamogvecle-
ba.
saqarTvelos garda ki Cven
sxva samSoblo ar gagvaCnia!
saqarTveloa Cveni samSob-
lo, saqarTveloa Cemi samSob-
lo da mis siyvaruls veravin
amikrZalavs. me aq vicxovreb
da Cemi xalxis siyvarulSi
davixarjebi, minda Cems xalxs
vemsaxuro, gaWirvebuli yofa
Sevumsubuqo, da amisaTvis
yvelafers gaviReb, sicocx-
lis fasadac rom damijdes!
am miwaze dgoma udides pa-
suxismgeblobas makisrebs. aq
TavdadebiT da TavganwirviT
veravis gaakvirveb. aq naTqvam
TiToeul sityvas gansakuTre-
buli Zala aqvs, radgan arsad
ise ar igrZnoba Cveni isto-
ria, Cveni winaprebis sulis
gamoZaxili, rogorc aq, am
uZveles qalaqSi - mcxeTaSi!
swored aq, am adgilas, ar-
mazis mTis Ziras, mtkvrisa da
aragvis SesarTavTan daafuZna
farnavazma qarTuli saxelm-
wifo.
aq iqadaga wminda ninom
qristianoba da aqve, armazSi,
kerpebi daamsxvria.
aq, am qalaqSi, 326 wels
mefe mirianma qristianoba mi-
iRo da Semdeg igi saxelmwi-
fo religiad gamoacxada.
swored maSin gadawyda saqar-
Tvelos momavali ganviTare-
bis bedi! swored maSin Caeya-
ra safuZveli Cveni qveynis
arCevans - gamxdariyo evropu-
li civilizaciis nawili.
mravali istoriuli qartexi-
lis miuxedavad, mravali gan-
sacdelis miuxedavad, saqarT-
velo dResac am arCevanis er-
Tguli rCeba.
dRes Cven aq, Cveni qveynis
istoriis, kulturisa da su-
lierebis SuagulSi vdgavarT.
jvari da sveticxoveli -
es ori taZari Cveni istori-
is ara dasawyiss, aramed uwy-
vetobas aRniSnavs, radgan es
taZrebi cariel adgilze ar
aSenebula, es taZrebi Zveli,
warmarTuli salocavebis ad-
gilze da maT magivrad aigo.
Cven marTlac Tvaluwvdeneli
istoria gvaqvs da es isto-
ria, rac ar unda xSirad gag-
vimeoron, 2003 wels namdvi-
lad ar dawyebula.
mcxeTa-mTianeTi Cveni sam-
Soblos cixe-simagred qceu-
li karibWea. fSavi, xevsure-
Ti, mTiuleTi, gudamayari,
qsnisxevi, yazbegi, duSeTi
Cveni qveynis simdidre da Za-
laa, vaJkaci mosaxleobiT,
romelic yovelTvis idga sam-
Soblos sadarajoze, qarTve-
li kacis Rirsebis, kultu-
risa da tradiciebis sadara-
joze.
stumar-maspinZlobas, me-
gobrobas, Zmadnaficobas, moy-
vasis siyvaruls mTaSi gansa-
kuTrebuli fasi aqvs.
mTam Seqmna unikaluri
folklori, genialuri xal-
xuri poezia. swored mTaSi,
albaT ise, rogorc arsad
sxvagan, „nisli fiqria mTebi-
sa“.
da es ar aris SemTxveviTi.
ra Tqma unda, arc is aris
SemTxveviTi, rom am mTebis
wiaRSi daibada vaJa-fSavela.
da arc is ar unda iyos Sem-
TxveviTi, da esec Cveni ube-
durebaa, rom swored vaJam
siRaribeSi dalia suli.
vaJa, romelmac „aluda qe-
Telauri“, „stumar-maspinZe-
li“ da sxva Sedevrebi dau-
tova kacobriobas, ambobs,
rom kacisTvis Rirsebaa mTava-
ri, metic, rom Rirseba ara
marto sicocxleze - saxelze
metic ki aris. nu iqnebi saxe-
lovani, iyavi Rirseuli, Tun-
dac Seni mexotbe da maqebari
mTeli sazogadoeba dagipiris-
pirdes. roca sazogadoeba
Tundac erTi kacis Rirsebas
daupirispirdeba, aseTi sazo-
gadoeba TviTkmayofil jogad
gadaiqceva da, Sesabamisad,
kapikia misi fasi! ai, es mTa-
vari saTqmeli gviTxra vaJa-
fSavelam.
am Rirebulebebs unda
efuZnebodes qarTuli saxel-
mwifo da Cven swored aseT
qveyanas avaSenebT! uRirsobas
Rirsebas davupirispirebT! am
qveyanaSi mcxovrebi TiToeu-
li adamianis, TiToeuli moqa-
laqis Rirsebas davicavT,
gpirdebiT!
ai, am Rirebulebebis, kul-
turisa da tradiciis xalxs
daupirispirda es xelisuf-
leba da misi damarcxeba moin-
doma. magram am brZolaSi Ta-
vad marcxdeba!
me pirdapiroba miyvars. ar
vambob, rom Cvens xelisufle-
baSi yvela uweso an urigo
adamiania, magram arc faqtebis
Selamazeba mCvevia. yvelam vi-
ciT, rom uwesrigoba arc ma-
namde gvaklda, magram am xe-
lisuflebam mas sistemuri
saxe misca. amasTan Segueba
danaSaulia!
Cven bolos movuRebT
uwesrigobas Cvens qveyanaSi.
amis gareSe qarTuli ocneba
ar asruldeba! Tavisuflebas
ki mxolod samarTliani kano-
nebisa da wesrigis myar nia-
dagze SeuZlia arseboba,
uwesrigobasa da qaosSi Tavi-
suflebas, ubralod, ar daed-
gomeba! me Tqven gpirdebiT,
rom qarTuli ocneba moipo-
vebs da daamkvidrebs samarT-
lianobas, wesrigs! Tavisuf-
lebas!
Cven iseT qveyanaze vocne-
bobT, sadac sakuTari warsu-
lis miCqmalvas ki ar cdilo-
ben, aramed pativs miageben wi-
naparTa Rvawls. Cven iseT
qveyanaze vocnebobT, sadac
adamianis Rirsebas pativs
scemen, sadac niWi da Sroma
dafasebuli iqneba!
am xelisfulebas es qve-
yana rom hyvareboda, am mad-
lian mxares SimSilis piras
ar miiyvanda, siduxWireSi
ar amoxdida suls, aseT
gulRia da sicocxlismoyva-
re xalxs momavlis imeds ar
mouspobda, ar gaamwarebda
da mis sxva qveynad da sxva
xalxad gadaqcevas ar ganiz-
raxavda!
rogor SeiZleba mogindes,
rom mcxeTa, fSavi, xevsureTi,
mTiuleTi, gudamayari, qsnis-
xevi, yazbegi, duSeTi rame
sxvas daamsgavso?
me darwmunebuli var, rom
swori, gaazrebuli, Tanamim-
devruli politikiT Cveni
qveyana Tavs daaRwevs gaWirve-
bas da veRaravin SeZlebs,
ukan dagvwios da SeaCeros
saqarTvelos svla demokra-
tiisken, Tanamedrove samya-
rosken!
dRes, aq, erTmaneTs sityva
mivceT, rom erTad vibrZo-
lebT Cveni samSoblosTvis,
Cveni qveynisTvis, Cveni ufle-
bebisTvis, Cveni ojaxebisTvis!
Cveni momavlisTvis! dReidan
Cven yvelani TanamebrZolebi
varT!
me axla, TqvenTan erTad,
simarTles minda gavusworo
Tvali. simarTle ki aris Cve-
ni xalxis siRaribe da gaWir-
veba, uamravi udanaSaulo pa-
timari, da rac yvelaze mniS-
vnelovania, okupirebuli te-
ritoriebi.
darwmunebuli var, dRes
aq, Cvens Soris, werovanis
axali mosaxleebic dganan.
axali imitom, rom bedis
ukuRmarTobiT sakuTari sof-
lebidan aiyarnen da Tavissave
samSobloSi devnilebad iqc-
biZina ivaniSvilisgamosvlis teqsti 1 ivlisis aqciaze, mcxeTaSi
5saerTo gazeTi#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
nen. mTel saqarTveloSi yve-
laze mebrZolma da Seupovar-
ma xalxma warmoudgenel gan-
sacdels, warmoudgenel tki-
vils, warmoudgenel gaWirve-
bas gauZlo, uaxloesi adamia-
nebi omSi dakarga. maT winaSe
minda qedi movixaro!
minda mivmarTo am adamia-
nebs: sakuTar saxlebSi dab-
runebamde, Cven yvela pirobas
SegiqmniT, raTa saswrafod
gaimarToT welSi! Tqven
normaluri cxovrebis SesaZ-
lebloba unda gqondeT! Tqven
aRar iqnebiT xelisuflebis
mowyalebaze damokidebuli,
Tqven, Rirseuli kuTxis Rir-
seuli Svilebi, Rirseul
cxovrebas, SeZlebT! me amis
sityvas gaZlevT!
dapirebebs advilad ar
viZlevi, imitom rom sityvis
fasi vici. ase micxovria da
ase micnoben.
dRes am aqciiT da sxva
mravalaTasiani aqciebiT kar-
gad gamoCnda, rogori mxarda-
Wera aqvs „qarTul ocnebas“.
swored amitom, xelisufleba
yvela Rones xmarobs, raTa
daakninos am aqciebis mniSvne-
loba, da gaugonar Seuracx-
yofas gvayenebs rogorc Cven,
aqciis organizatorebs, ise
Tqven, Cvens mxardamWerebs.
saakaSvils ise unda war-
moaCinos, rom Cven da Cveni
mxardamWerebi sxva qveynidan
vimarTebiT, metic, gamudmebiT
imeorebs - ivaniSvils mxo-
lod imitom udganan gverdSi,
rom bevri fuli aqvso.
me ara maqvs aseTi warmod-
gena sakuTar xalxze, me ar
vakadreb Cems xalxs aseT Se-
uracxyofas. me vici, rom Ce-
mi mTavari kapitali Tqveni
ndobaa, Cemi ganvlili cxov-
rebaa, romliTac arasdros
mitrabaxia.
me yovelTvis vcdilobdi,
ramdenadac SemeZlo, davxma-
rebodi Cems samSoblos, Cems
xalxs. es Cems movaleobad mi-
maCnda yovelTvis. magram dav-
rwmundi, mxolod aseTi dax-
marebiT qveynisa da xalxis
mdgomareobas sagrZnoblad
ver Sevcvlidi.
Cemi qveynisa da xalxis ga-
usaZlis mdgomareobas rom
vxedavdi da am xelisuflebis
Tavgasulobas bolo rom ar
uCanda, aman gadamawyvetina
politikaSi mosvla.
me ver movaxden saswauls,
magram Cems gundTan erTad,
TqvenTan erTad, Cven gavake-
TebT yvelafers, risi gakeTe-
bac SesaZlebelia. realuri
politika, realuri nabijebi,
es aris is, rasac gpirdebiT.
Cven qveynisaTvis mniSvne-
lovan gadawyvetilebas mxo-
lod Cveni xalxis interese-
bis gaTvaliswinebiT miviRebT.
xalxis daukiTxavad Cven arc
erT nabijs ar gadavdgamT!
am ramdenime Tvis win ga-
ixsna larsis sabaJo gamSvebi
punqti. mezobel saxelmwifo-
ebTan mowesrigebuli urTier-
Tobebi rogor SeiZleba kacs
ar uxarodes an rame hqondes
amis sawinaaRmdego.
magram, roca Sens xalxs
kvlav damcirebuls da dabeCa-
vebuls xedav, roca xedav,
rom misTvis sasikeTo am saq-
midanac araferi gamovida,
aucileblad giCndeba kiTxva:
ratom arsad da arc erT Sem-
TxvevaSi ar iTvaliswinebs es
xelisufleba Tavisi xalxis
interess? gana ar SeiZleboda
iseTi SeTanxmebis miRweva,
rom larsis gamSvebi punqtis
amoqmedebiT mezobeli qveynis-
Tvis sasikeTod gadadgmuli
nabiji Seni xalxisTvisac ga-
mosadegi yofiliyo? nuTu
Zneli iyo iseTi SeTanxmebis
miRweva, romelic Sens xalx-
sac waadgeboda da cotaTi ma-
inc amoasunTqebda?
amis pasuxi erTia - am xe-
lisuflebas ar ainteresebs
sakuTari moqalaqeebis bedi.
is gadawyvetilebebs ar iRebs
saxelmwifoebrivi interesebi-
dan gamomdinare, es mxolod
Zalauflebis SenarCunebisT-
vis gadadgmuli nabijebia,
romelsac nebismier fasad aR-
wevs. es unda damTavrdes!
xelisuflebis yvela nabi-
ji, pirvel rigSi, Cveni mo-
qalaqeebis TanxmobiT unda id-
gmebodes da maT interesebs
unda emsaxurebodes. Cven viq-
nebiT is xelisufleba, rome-
lic amas SeZlebs, gpirdebiT!
dRes erTi adamiani wyvets
yvelafers Cveni qveyanis yve-
la regionSi, yvela qalaqSi,
yvela sofelSi. dRes mxare-
ebs ganageben gubernatorebi,
romlebic piradad saakaSvi-
lis survilebs emorCilebian,
misi axirebebis usityvo Sems-
ruleblebi arian.
„qarTuli ocneba“ daamk-
vidrebs TviTmmarTvelobas -
Cveni moqalaqeebi TviTon mii-
Reben gadawyvetilebebs saku-
Tar qalaqebSi, raionebsa da
soflebSi, Tavad dagegmaven
biujets da Tavad iqnebian mi-
si ganmkargavebi.
kanoniT iqneba gansazRvru-
li, centridan ra Tanxa gada-
ecema adgilobriv TviTmmarT-
velobas. aRarasodes iqneba
damokidebuli am Tanxis ode-
noba da gadacema-argadacemis
sakiTxi romelime Cinovnikis
neba-survilze.
TviTmmarTvelobis sikeTes
yvelani igrZnobT. Cven amas
gpirdebiT!
erTpirovnuli mmarTvelo-
bis Sedegia is mdgomareoba,
romelSic qarTuli sofeli
Cavarda. soflis dakninebasTan
erTad mosaxleobis didi na-
wili siRatakeSi aRmoCnda,
radgan maTi umravlesoba mi-
waze SromiT irCenda Tavs.
qveynis sircxvilia is, rom
dRevndeli qarTuli sofeli
SimSilobs. mosaxleobis didi
nawili veRar axerxebs Tavis
Senaxvas da ojaxis sarCenad
ucxoeTSia gadaxvewili.
duSeTSi, yazbegSi, TianeT-
Si, am maRalmTian raionebSi
mTlianad moSlilia mecxove-
leobaca da miwaTmoqmedebac,
miwaze momuSave glexi marto-
ka veRar umklavdeba Tavis ga-
saWirs.
saqarTvelos mTianeTis
soflebi, romlebic saukunee-
bis ganmavlobaSi Cveni qveynis
karibWis funqcias asrulebd-
nen, dRes icleba imis gamo,
rom aRar arsebobs skolebi,
baga-baRebi da, xSir SemTxve-
vaSi, sasursaTo maRaziebic
ki. am soflebSi eklesia-sa-
locavebic ki ingreva da kaci
ar aris mimxedavi. es unda
dasruldes!
Cven avamoqmedebT maRalm-
Tiani regionebis Sesaxeb ka-
nons, romelic realurad Se-
uwyobs xels mTis soflebis
aRorZinebas da mosaxleobis
dabrunebas.
sofels eyoleba patroni
da es patroni misi mosaxle-
oba iqneba!
saxelmwifos gansakuTre-
buli zrunvis sagani gaxdeba
maRalmTiani regionis mcire-
kontingentiani skolebi, yve-
la sofelSi aRdgeba baga-ba-
Rebi da skolebi, radgan maT-
zea damokidebuli ara marto
ganaTlebis sakiTxi, aramed
mosaxleobis damagreba da is-
toriuli kuTxeebis daclisa-
gan gadarCena.
Zlieri sofeli Zlieri
qveynis sawindaria. swored
amitom, „qarTul ocnebas“ da-
gegmili aqvs, aaRorZinos qar-
Tuli sofeli da amisaTvis
Seqmnas erTmiliardiani fon-
di.
am gegmis mixedviT, sof-
lis meurneobaSi dasaqmebuli
moqalaqeebi SeZleben grZel-
vadiani, xelmisawvdomi da
SeRavaTiani sesxebis aRebas
da amiT sargeblobas; mowes-
rigdeba miwis dakanonebis sa-
kiTxebi da Seiqmneba saTanado
garantiebi; glexebs xeli Se-
ewyoba mosavlis aRebaSi, da-
binavebaSi, dasawyobebaSi, ba-
zarze gatanasa da gasaRebaSi.
Cven SevZlebT Cveni mosax-
leobis gamokvebas adgilob-
rivi warmoebis produqtiT,
aRar viqnebiT damokidebuli
ucxoeTidan Semotanil pro-
duqtze, bazarSi kvlav dab-
rundeba iafi da amave dros
xarisxiani adgilobrivi bos-
tneuli, xili, xorci. sabo-
lood, soflis ganviTareba
saqarTvelos keTildReobas
Cauyris safuZvels.
Cven xels SevuwyobT mTis-
Tvis damaxasiaTebeli qarTu-
li tradiciuli dargebis
aRorZinebas - qsovas, qargvas
da vizrunebT am tradiciis
aRdgenisaTvis, SenarCunebisa
da ganviTarebisaTvis.
mTiani saqarTvelos unika-
luri buneba, unikaluri eT-
nografiuli Taviseburebebi
imis saSualebas iZleva, rom
am regionis turistuli po-
tencia saTanadod gamoviyenoT
da ganvaviTaroT.
msoflioSi sul ufro
cota rCeba aseTi adgilebi.
aseTi wyali gvaqvs, aseTi ba-
laxi, aseTi mTa. bunebam Cven
aseTi simdidre gvarguna da
Cven am simdidres gamoviye-
nebT, gpirdebiT!
Cemo Zmebo, Cemo Tanamebr-
Zolebo!
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dRes Cvens qveyanaSi uam-
ravi problema dagrovda.
aRar darCa arc erTi dargi,
arc erTi sfero, saswrafod
gadaWras rom ar moiTxovdes.
erT-erTi mTavari sakiTxi
dRes sajaro samsaxurSi da-
saqmebuli Cveni moqalaqeebis
mdgomareobaa. yvelam kargad
viciT, rogori mZime politi-
kuri wnexis qveS uwevT maT
muSaoba. xelisufleba maT
mxolod piradi erTgulebis
niSniT afasebs da politiku-
ri niSniT aTavisuflebs.
sul axlaxan, xelisufle-
bis erTma aqtiurma warmomad-
genelma ganacxada, rom Tur-
me sajaro samsaxurSi dasaq-
mebuls ar SeiZleba hqondes
gansxvavebuli azri. es gan-
cxadeba demokratiul Rire-
bulebebTan ise SeuTavsebe-
lia, demokratiuli Rirebu-
lebebis iseTi ignorirebaa,
rom xelisuflebas mouwia am
frazis uaryofa da Tavad am
sityvebis avtors demokrati-
uli Rirebulebebis arcodna-
Sic ki dasdo brali.
diax, mSvenivrad icis xe-
lisuflebam, rom yovlad da-
uSvebelia sajaro mosamsaxu-
ris politikuri niSniT sam-
saxuridan gaTavisufleba,
Tumca amas yoveli fexis na-
bijze Tavad sCadis.
Cven xelisuflebaSi mosv-
lis pirvelive dRidan gavaTa-
visuflebT sajaro samsaxurs
politikuri wnexisagan. saja-
ro moxelis dasaqmeba da ga-
Tavisufleba aRar iqneba vin-
mes neba-survilze damokide-
buli, maT mxolod profesio-
nalizmi da saqmisadmi erTgu-
leba moeTxovebaT.
xelisuflebaSi Cveni mos-
vlis Semdeg Sewydeba poli-
tikuri angariSsworeba, ar
daiwyeba wina xelisuflebis
momxreebis da saxelisufle-
bo struqturebSi namsaxurebi
adamianebis devna. me pirdapir
da gadaWriT vityvi: Cven amas
ar davuSvebT!
Cven yvelani didi imediT
SevyurebdiT policiis re-
formas. Cvens Tvalwin poli-
ciaSi muSaoba prestiJuli da
saamayo gaxda, quCebSi vxvde-
bodiT Tavaziani RimiliTa
da sityva-pasuxiT erTmaneTze
ukeTes axalgazrdebs, Cvens
Zmebs, Cvens Svilebs.
xom unda moexerxebina xe-
lisuflebas, rom es SemarTe-
ba, es imedi da amxela ndoba
gaecamtverebina. dRes Cven mi-
viReT struqtura, romelic
xelisuflebis erTi mcire
jgufis Zaladobas ganicdis
da maTi ukanono brZanebis
Semsrulebelia. samwuxarod,
Cven yvelani gavxdiT imis
mowme, rom es struqtura ara
erTxel gansakuTrebuli si-
sastikiT gausworda sakuTar
Tanamoqalaqeebs.
magram me mjera da vici,
rom policielebis absolu-
turi umravlesoba Rirseuli
adamiania. maT ukanonoba ar
CaudeniaT, bevr maTgans saku-
Tari sicocxlis riskis fa-
sad sxvisi sicocxle gadaur-
Cenia. isini sakuTar samSob-
losa da xalxs emsaxurebian.
am ramdenime dRis win gav-
rcelda informacia, rom ara-
saimedoobis gamo policiis
200-mde TanamSromeli samsa-
xuridan daiTxoves.
me vpirdebi Cvens polici-
elebs, gansakuTrebiT maT,
vinc politikuri niSniT da-
iTxoves: Cveni gamarjvebis
Semdeg isini aucileblad da-
ubrundebian TavianT samsa-
xurs; policielis saimedoo-
ba aRarasodes ganisazRvreba
erTi romelime jgufis erT-
gulebiT, maT aRaravin daava-
lebs ukanono brZanebebis Ses-
rulebas. policia kvlav qvey-
nisa da xalxis samsaxurSi
Cadgeba da amiT daibrunebs
ndobasa da pativiscemas! amis
sityvas me gaZlevT!
dRes prokuraturac da sa-
samarTloc xelisuflebis
represiuli manqanis nawilia.
prokuratura mmarTveli jgu-
fis dakveTis Semsrulebelia,
xolo sasamarTlo prokura-
turis danamatad aris qceuli.
Cven gavaTavisuflebT po-
litikuri dakveTebis Sesru-
lebisgan prokuraturasac da
sasamarTlosac da amiT qve-
yanaSi samarTlianobas davamk-
vidrebT. amis pirobas me gaZ-
levT!
Cven SevqmniT samarTlian
saxelmwifos, romlis mTava-
ri Rirebuleba adamiani iqne-
ba!
aravisTvisaa ucxo, rom
dRes Cveni mosaxleobis udi-
desi nawilisTvis janmrTe-
lobis dacvis elementaruli
pirobebic ar arsebobs, isini
saxelmwifosagan mitovebuli
arian.
uamravi Cveni Tanamoqalaqe
gaRatakda da usaxlkarod
darCa mkurnalobisTvis gawe-
uli katastrofuli xarjebis
gamo. aseTi adamianebis ricx-
vi sul ufro izrdeba, 21-e
saukuneSi adamianebi ueqimobi-
sa da uwamlobis gamo iRupe-
bian. CvenSi wamlis fasi ev-
ropuls utoldeba da xSi-
rad aRemateba kidec mas, Tum-
ca wamlebis umetesoba sru-
liad uxarisxoa da gankurne-
bisTvis gamousadegari. amis
gamo Cveni mosaxleoba saso-
warkveTaSia Cavardnili.
Cven gpirdebiT, rom adami-
anis janmrTelobaze zrunva
saxelmwifos mTavari priori-
teti gaxdeba.
saxelmwifo aiRebs valde-
bulebas da izrunebs saqarT-
velos TiToeuli moqalaqis
janmrTelobaze!
,,qarTul ocnebas“ ukve
SemuSavebuli aqvs jandacvis
kanonproeqti, romelSic zed-
miwevniTaa gansazRvruli da
asaxuli yvelaferi, rasac
Cven winasaarCevnod vpirdebiT
mosaxleobas. Tu xelisufle-
ba acxadebs, rom yovel meore
moqalaqes eqneba samedicino
dazRveva, da Cven kargad vi-
ciT maTi dapirebis fasi, Cve-
ni devizia ufaso jandacva
yvelas! Cveni qveynis ukleb-
liv yvela macxovrebels eqne-
ba samedicino dazRvevis uf-
ro yovlismomcveli paketi,
vidre xelisuflebis mier Se-
moTavazebuli.
da es yvelaferi aris
detalurad daangariSe-
buli, kargad gaTvlili
da gaazrebuli.
Cven SevamcirebT gau-
marTleblad maRal komu-
nalur gadasaxadebs, pen-
sia aranaklebi iqneba,
vidre saarsebo minimu-
mia. Tavad saarsebo mini-
mumis odenobac gadaixe-
deba, Seicvleba da rea-
lur cifrs miuaxlovde-
ba.
aseTia Cveni ganacxadi
da es rom litoni sity-
vebi ar aris, amaSi yvelani
darwmundebiT, rodesac blo-
ki „ivaniSvili-qarTuli oc-
neba“ gaimarjvebs saparlamen-
to arCevnebSi da mova xeli-
suflebaSi.
Cven yvela danapirebs Se-
vasrulebT, amis sityvas me
gaZlevT!
sazogadoeba Relavs, xal-
xi SeSfoTebulia im ukanono
moqmedebebis gamo, romelsac
saakaSvili da misi usityvod
morCili struqturebi axor-
cieleben piradad Cemsa da Ce-
mi gundis mimarT.
saakaSvils am saqmeSi Car-
Tuli hyavs yvela saxelmwi-
fo instituti, maT Soris sa-
samarTloc, da aiZulebs maT
ukanono, saR azrs moklebu-
li, ugunuri gadawyvetilebe-
bis miRebas.
saakaSvili yvelafers ake-
Tebs imisTvis, rom xalxi aR-
SfoTebam quCaSi gamoiyvanos,
magram Cven ar avyvebiT mas,
Cven dawyebul brZolas bo-
lomde miviyvanT da arCevne-
biT gavimarjvebT!
Cven ar gadavuxvevT am
gzas, kanonierebis gzas da
mTel msoflios davanaxebT,
rom civilizebuli eri varT,
romlisTvisac demokratiuli
Rirebulebebi Tavsmoxveuli
ki ar aris, aramed misi
moTxovnilebaa.
xalxo, ar arsebobs wina-
aRmdegoba, romelic me SemaCe-
rebs, Cven SegvaCerebs! rad-
gan erTad varT, Cven veravin
gvajobebs. araferi gamouvaT,
sityvas gaZlevT! me sityvis
gatexa ar mCvevia!
27 maiss Cven TbilisiT
daviwyeT. procesebma Seuqce-
vadi xasiaTi miiRo! SeuZlebe-
lia procesebis SeCereba, miT
ufro, am procesebis Semob-
runeba. xelisuflebam rac ar
unda dagegmos, rac ar unda
moimoqmedos, es brZola auci-
leblad bolomde miva da Cve-
ni gamarjvebiT dasruldeba!
Cven erTad vibrZolebT da
erTad dgomiT aucileblad
mivaRwevT warmatebebs! me
gpirdebiT, rom am brZolaSi
bolomde vidgebi Tqven gver-
diT, Cven erTmaneTis gverdiT
vidgebiT, vidgebiT gamarjve-
bamde!
Cven gvwams da mtkiced
gvjera, rom gavimarjvebT ar-
CevnebSi, qarTveli xalxi ga-
imarjvebs, saqarTvelo gai-
marjvebs, Cven erTad Sevqm-
niT ukeTes momavals da er-
Tad avisrulebT qarTul oc-
nebas!
5 gv.
7#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi
gvesaubreba
biZina ivaniSvilis advokati
sandro baramiZe
_ batono sandro, im fonze,
rac bolo periodSi xelisuf-
lebis mxridan ivaniSvilis mi-
marT xorcieldeba, ra samarT-
lebriv mocemulobaSi vcxov-
robT?
_ samarTlebrivi mocemul-
oba aseTia _ xelisufleba ubra-
lod samarTlis sferodan gavi-
da, araviTari kanoni, samarTlis
principebi ukve saerTod, aRar
arsebobs. Tuki rame samarTlis
principi arsebobs yvelaze fu-
Zemdebluri, yvelaferi iryvneba,
ilaxeba. mxedvelobaSi maqvs Sem-
degi: magaliTad, adamians ajari-
meben astronomiuli TanxiT _
75 milioni lariT. albaT, vinme
ifiqrebs, rom proceduruli ga-
rantiebi, rac SeiZleba esoden
mZime braldebebSi dadanaSaule-
bul pirs hqondes, es yvelaferi
daculia. araviTar SemTxvevaSi,
araferi araa daculi. Bbatoni
biZinas advokatebs sasamarTlos
uwyeba saRamos cxris naxevarze
Cagvabares, meore diliT sasa-
marTlo procesi iyo daniSnuli.
rogor warmogidgeniaT Ramis sa-
aTebSi adamianma daaxloebiT
500 gverdi masala da 4 kom-
paqt-diski mravalricxovani fa-
ilebiT jerovnad Seiswavlos?!
an rogor SeiZleba WkuaTmyof-
elma adamianma ivaraudos, rom
Ramis saaTebSi raime mtkicebu-
lebebs SevagrovebdiT wardgeni-
li braldebebis gasaqarwyle-
blad?! an iqneb vinme, hgonia,
rom braldebebi sakmarisad zus-
tadaa formulirebuli ise, rom
piri gaerkveva, raSi adanaSaule-
ben?! _ araviTar SemTxvevaSi.
kontrolis palatis mier ward-
genili samarTaldarRvevis oqme-
bi, esaa erT furcelze konkre-
tul grafaSi gakruli xeliT
asiode Cawerili sityva _ es
aris braldebis arsi? es ubra-
lod aRar aris samarTlebrivi
sivrce. es aris yvelaferi sa-
marTlebrivi sivrcis garda.
_ rac Seexeba sxva politi-
kuri partiebis dajarimebas, am
siaSi `nacionaluri moZraobac~
moxvda, magram ramdenad logiku-
ria is, rom jarimebis Tanxebi
kolosalurad gansxvavdeba erT-
maneTisgan, ra princips efuZneba
es?
_ es izomeba Semdegnairad _
esaa ormagi standartebi, kano-
nis araerTgvarovani gamoyeneba _
viRacisTvis naklebad mkacri
sanqciebia gaTvaliswinebuli, vi-
RacisTvis zedmetad mkacri. es
aris realurad SerCeviTi
marTlmsajuleba, romelic eq-
vemdebareba araproporciulad
diskriminaciul mopyrobas. es
yvelaferi izomeba imiT, rom vi-
Racas me ar movwonvar da sxva
ufro moswons. aqedan gamomdina-
re, rac mas epatieba, ar mepat-
ieba me. ormagi standarti fu-
Zemdebluri darRvevaa, romel-
sac kanonis winaSe Tanasworobis
pricipis darRveva ewodeba. kano-
nis winaSe pasuxi an yvelam er-
Tad unda vagoT, an Tu marto me
vageb _ maSin amas diskriminacia
hqvia.
_ am sasamarTloSi aSkaraa
rom samarTliani, kanonieri ga-
dawyvetilebebis gamotanas ver
vaRwevT, Tumca, Tqven ganacxade-
T, rom es saWiroa imisaTvis,
rom dafiqsirdes faqtebi, sae-
rTaSoriso tribunalic auci-
leblad mxars dagviWerso, mag-
ram iqamde xom aq unda gaviaroT
garkveuli instanciebi, rasac
sakmao dro sWirdeba?
_ iciT ra, mTeli es proce-
dura rac ar unda formaluri
iyos, valdebuli xar gaiaro. Tu
Sida samarTlebrivi dacvis meq-
anizmebi ar amowure, vercerT
saerTaSoriso samarTlebrivi
dacvis struqturaSi ver wax-
val meorec, Tundac ar arsebob-
des saerTaSoriso institutebi,
sakuTarma mosaxleobam xom unda
icodes realurad ra xdeba, maT
xom unda daanaxo, rom risi
Tqmac SegeZlo sasamarTloSi,
yvelaferi Tqvi, magram maT yu-
rad ar iRes. marTlmsajulebis
erT-erTi ZiriTadi principi ki-
dev esaa, rac erT-erTma ingli-
selma mosamarTlem me-20 sauku-
nis dasawyisSi Tqva _ marTlms-
ajuleba ara marto unda gan-
xorcieldes, aramed unda daina-
xon, rom is ganxorcielda. anu,
rigiTi moqalaqe, vinc amas ak-
virdeba, unda darwmundes, rom
marTlmsajuleba ganxorcielda
da igi farsi, komedia, parodia
ar iyo. yvela adamians aqvs sa-
marTlianobis gancda, es Tanda-
yolili grZnobaa. sxva sakiTxia,
rom adamiani amas garkveuli mo-
sazrebebis _ sindisis uqonlo-
bis gamo, ignorirebas uwevdes.
Magram, ra aris swori da aras-
wori _ es yvelam icis. amitom
yvelas unda daanaxo _ rac Sen
gaakeTe, swori da samarTliani
iyo. yvelafers rom Tavi davane-
boT, STamomavlobis, istoriis
winaSe varT valdebulni. dadge-
ba dro, roca am qveynis mosax-
leobas ecodineba, ra xdeboda
dRes, ise, rogorc Cven, dRes
viciT, ra xdeboda 20-30-ian da
a.S. wlebSi. dRevandelma mantie-
bSi gamowyobilma mosamarTlee-
bis parodiebma unda icodnen,
rom STamomavlobis winaSe pa-
suxs ageben. amis ase datoveba
ar SeiZleba. amis mitoveba, uTq-
meloba arafriT ar SeiZleba.
_ramdenime dRis win, biZina
ivaniSvils uari eTqva moqalaqe-
obis miniWebaze. am
SemTxvevaSic, cxa-
dia, rom gasaCiv-
reba Sedegs ar mo-
itans. anu amis da-
fiqsirebac mxol-
od STamomavlobi-
sTvis gvWirdeba
Tu sxva raime zo-
mebs mimarTavT?
_ igive, rac
ukve vTqvi. forma-
lurad unda amoi-
wuros yvela Sida
samarTlebrivi da-
cvis meqanizmi, ra-
Ta saerTaSoriso
institutebSi gasaCivrebisTvis
gza gagvexsnas. mosaxleobam un-
da icodes, rom samarTlebrivad
yvelafers vakeTebT, risi keTe-
bac SesaZlebelia, ubralod,
roca qveyanaSi samarTali ar
aris, fizikurad amas verafers
daupirispireb. sxva sakiTxia,
rom ityvi _ vibrZole, yvelaf-
eri gavakeTe da Tundac STamom-
avlobis winaSe am mxriv pirnaT-
eli varo. saqarTveloSi male
yvelaferi Seicvleba.
_ rac Seexeba dajarimebebs,
batonma biZinam ganacxada, rom
jarimas ar gadaixdis. sapirispi-
rod xelisuflebam `qarTu ban-
kisa~ da `qarTu jgufis~ qoneba
daayadaRa da misi auqcionze ga-
taniTac imuqreba. ra ganviTare-
ba SeiZleba mohyves amas?
_ biZina ivaniSvils ar gaaC-
nia aranairi qoneba arc `qarTu
bankSi~ da arc `qarTu jgufSi~.
aqedan gamomdinare, ismis kiTxva
_ romeli qoneba unda gaiyidos?
qoneba, romelsac saaRsrulebo
biuro ivaniSvilisad Tvlis, si-
namdvileSi sul sxva pirebisaa.
magaliTad, 100 procentiani saaq-
cio kapitali `qarTu bankSi~ bi-
Zina ivaniSvils ki ara, `qarTu
jgufis~ qonebaa imitom rom igi
flobs am aqciebis asive proce-
nts. gamodis, rom am aqciebis da-
yadaRebiT sul sxva piris, ara
movalis, aramed `qarTu jgufis~
qonebas xelyof. igive exeba `qar-
Tu jgufis~ aqciebsac, romelTac
sul sxva 6 iuridiuli piri fl-
obs, romelTagan 2 saqarT-
veloSi, 4 ki sazRvargareTaa da-
fuZnebuli. ra Tqma unda, sabanko
samarTalSi arsebobs instituti
beneficiari mesakuTre, es aris
piri, vinc am wilebis ierarqiis
saTaveSi dgas, magram ivaniSvili
beneficiari mesakuTrec ar aris.
man Tavisi wilebi gaasxvisa Tavis
vaJze _ uta ivaniSvilze. Tun-
dac, igi dResac am wilebis mfl-
obeli yofiliyo, saqarTvelos
saaRsrulebo biuro, verc am wi-
lebs ver daayadaRebda imitom,
rom es wilebi sxva qveynebSia
registrirebuli. es qoneba sxva-
ganaa da amas saqarTvelo ver da-
ayadaRebs, imitom, rom mas ar ga-
aCnia uflebamosileba sxva qvey-
nis teritoriaze ganaxorcielos
iurisdiqcia.
_ magram, batono sandro,
xelisuflebam mainc daayadaRa
es qoneba, rogorc ivaniSvilis
sakuTreba. ra SeiZleba am yvel-
afers samarTlebrivad davupi-
rispiroT?
_ es aris samarTlebrivi
nonsensi, rac maT gaakeTes. vi-
meoreb, es aris ara ivaniSvilis,
aramed sul sxva pirebis sakuT-
reba. aqedan gamomdinare, Tu es
qoneba auqcionze gaiyideba, pir-
vel rigSi, ver iqneba wardgeni-
li mtkicebuleba, romelic am
auqcions legitimurs gaxdis.
Tu biZina ivaniSvils qonebas uy-
idi, auqcionze wardgenili unda
iyos mtkicebuleba rom es qone-
ba namdvilad misia, magram ase
rom ar aris, ra vqnaT?! amitom
es auqcioni veranairad ver iqne-
ba legitimuri. defaqto xelis-
uflebas yvelafris gakeTeba Se-
uZlia. magaliTad, movides vinme
TqvenTan saxlSi, gamogaZevoT
iqedan da ganacxados, rom es
saxli saxelmwifos sakuTrebaa,
es qonebis dauflebis kanonieri,
samarTlebrivi gza iqneba?! _ ra
Tqma unda ara _ es iqneba Cveu-
lebrivi yaCaRoba.
_ Tu xelisufleba permane-
ntulad gaagrZelebs dajarimeb-
ebis, qonebis dayadaRebis serias,
xom ar aris saSiSroeba ivaniS-
vili gadaxdisuunaro gaxdes da
mas sxva saxis safrTxe daemuq-
ros? miTumetes, rom mas qonebis
didi nawili sazRvargareT aqvs,
romlis dayadaRebis ufleba Cv-
ens xelisuflebas ar aqvs.
_ ivaniSvili gadaxdisuuna-
ro ar gaxdeba imitom, rom vi-
ciT _ mas bevrad meti qoneba
aqvs, vidre is sanqcia, rac mas
daekisra. sxva sakiTxia is, rac
Tqven brZaneT, rom ivaniSvilis
qonebis udidesi nawili sazR-
vargareTaa da mas SeuZlia ga-
nacxados, rom nebayoflobiT ar
Seasrulebs sasamarTlo gadawy-
vetilebas. amiT mas sisxlis sa-
marTlebrivi an sxva saxis pasu-
xismgebloba ar emuqreba.
_ maSin, ra moxdeba im Se-
mTxvevaSi Tu xelisufleba da-
jarimebebs gaagrZelebs, ivaniS-
vili ki jarimebis gadaxdaze
kvlav uars ityvis?
_ igi, ubralod ambobs, rom
ar asrulebs sasamarTlos uka-
nono gadawyvetilebebs. Tu sa-
xelmwifo sasamarTlos mier
ukanono gadawyvetilebebis aR-
srulebas gadawyvets, maT So-
ris iseT qonebaze miqceviT,
romelic saqarTveloSi ar
aris, es misi saqmea, magram,
wesiT amis gakeTeba saqarT-
velos ar SeuZlia imitom, rom
im qveynebSi, sadac ivaniSvilis
qonebaa ganTavsebuli, im saxel-
mwifoebTan saqarTvelos sa-
marTlebrivi daxmarebis SeTan-
xmeba da xelSekruleba dade-
buli ar aqvs. Suamdgomlob-
iTac rom mimarTos saqarT-
velom sxva qveynebs, esec nak-
leb SesaZlebelia imitom, rom
amisTvis saTanado samarTle-
brivi proceduraa saWiro da
garwmunebT, rom iq nana dara-
seliebi, koba gociriZeebi,
irakli Sengeliebi da misTana
mosamarTleebi ar sxedan. iq
namdvili mosamarTleebi sxedan.
aqedan gamomdinare, am mxriv
ivaniSvils araferi emuqreba. aq
SeiZleba dadgan farsi, magram
es gamoaSkaravdeba, daerqmeva
Tavisi saxeli. am farsiT, Sei-
Zleba defaqto raRac moqmedeb-
ebi ganaxorcielo, magram es
absoluturad ukanono iqneba.
ver getyviT, Tu ra SeiZle-
ba moimoqmedos xelisuflebam,
romelic 2007 wlis noemberSi
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Cveulebrivi moqalaqeebis mimarT
uprecendento Zaladoba gana-
xorciela da arnaxuli vanda-
lizmis aqtebi Caatara, gaanadgu-
ra qoneba. me ar maqvs garantia,
rom amas ar gaimeorebs xelis-
ufleba biZina ivaniSvilis an
sxva piris mimarT. samarTals
zRvargadasuli xelisufleba ne-
bismier barbarosobaze, vanda-
lizmze wava, magram 21-e sauku-
neSi sul sxva saerTaSoriso sa-
marTlebrivi wesrigis viTare-
baSi, ara mgonia qveyanaSi raime
seriozuli gamwvaveba moxdes,
saboloo jamSi xelisufleba
aucileblad Seicvleba arCevne-
bis gziT.
_ dasawyisSi vaxseneT, rom
xelisufleba sxva partiebsac
miadga, maT Soris koalicia `qa-
rTul ocnebas~. xom ar aris sa-
SiSroeba isini saarCevno pro-
cess CamoaSoron?
dadgeba dro, roca am qveynis mosaxleobasecodineba, ra xdeboda dRes, ise rogorc
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8 saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
_ marto imitom, rom par-
tia jarimas ver ixdis, ar niS-
navs arCevnebSi monawileobis
uflebis CamorTmevas. sxva sa-
kiTxia, rodesac mas finansur
wyaros uketav, rac Cvens
Tvalwin xdeba. Tbilisis saqa-
laqo sasamarTlom gamoitana
gadawyvetileba, ris mixedv-
iTac politikur partiebs ise-
Ti odenobis Tanxebis gadaxda
daekisraT _ 3 milioni lari,
romlis gadamxdelebic isini
ar arian. Sesabamisad, Zneli
misaxvedri araa, rom maT anga-
riSebs yadaRa daedebaT da ra-
ime finansuri saxsrebis moZra-
obas gza gadaeketeba. amis bl-
okireba xdeba, magram es ar
niSnavs, rom partiebi Sewyvet-
en saqmianobas. jerjerobiT ka-
nonmdebloba isev iTvaliswine-
bs moxaliseobas. xalxi samar-
Tliania, roca dainaxavs, amaT
undaT opoziciuri Zalebis
daxrCoba, moxaliseobas gauwe-
ven.
_ da xalxis moxaliseobis
imedad unda darCes opozicia?
finansuri berketis gadaketva
gana saarCevno procesisgan Ca-
moSorebas ar niSnavs?
_ xalxis raodenoba, rome-
lic sistematurad dadis
`qarTuli ocnebis~ mier orga-
nizebul aqciebze, maZlevs amis
Tqmis saSualebas _ ver gada-
ketaven iseT wyaros, rasac
xalxis keTili neba hqvia gamo-
iCinos moxaliseoba da amgva-
rad Seuwyos xeli im politi-
kur Zalebs, romelTa mosvlac
surT.
_ Tumca, aSkaraa, rom dRes
xelisufleba yvelafers akeT-
ebs, raTa ivaniSvili da misi
gundi politikur process Ca-
moaSoros.
_ diax, magram Cven sxva sa-
ukuneSi vcxovrobT da, sabed-
nierod ara me-20 saukunis 20-
30-ian wlebSi. Axla sxva sae-
rTaSoriso wesrigia. basma ga-
akeTa gancxadeba da mniSvnelo-
vani ram gaaJRera _ ivlisSi
saqarTveloSi grZelvadian
damkvirveblebs gamogzavnian.
amiT naTqvamia, rom arCevnebi
uSualod mxolod arCevnebis
dRe rodia. isini absol-
uturad yvelafers daafiqsi-
reben. aravis eqneba iluzia,
rom mniSvnelovani darRvevebis
SemTxvevaSi vinmes `gamarjveba~
SeiZleba legitimurad iqnes
cnobili. darwmunebuli var,
seriozuli darRvevebis SemTx-
vevaSi arc saqarTvelos mosax-
leoba da arc saerTaSoriso
Tanamegobroba arCevnebs leg-
itimurad ar scnobs. Tu vinmes
kadafizaciis, asadizaciis, mu-
baraqizaciis gziT surs sa-
qarTvelos wayvana, ar vici,
magram eWvi mepareba, gamouvi-
deT.
_ axla legitimacia axse-
neT, Tumca arCevnebi arc wina
wlebSi yofila legitimuri,
magram saakaSvils sulac ar
gasWirvebia `legitimurobis~
mopoveba.
_ wina wlebis arCevnebTan
SedarebiT, situacia gansxvave-
bulia. jer erTi, saxelisuf-
lebo Zalis realuri altern-
ativa da resursi arsebobs,
mxolod finansur resurss ar
vgulisxmob, aramed im masob-
riv mxardaWeras, rac am alt-
ernatiul Zalas gaaCnia. meo-
rec _ es mxardaWera bevrad
ufro farTo, organizebulia,
vidre guSin iyo, dRes mTeli
axalgazrdoba gareTaa. ase
rom, situacia 2008 wlis ar-
CevnebTan SedarebiT, radikal-
urad gansxvavebulia.
_ Tumca, ver vityviT imas,
rom xelisufleba lmobieria.
ki viZaxiT, agoniaSiao, magram
wina wlebTan SedarebiT rep-
resiebis formebi gamwvave-
bulia. eWvic ar mepareba xel-
isufleba advilad gayidis
auqcionze sxvis qonebas, ro-
gorc ivaniSvilisas.
_ ras daayadaRebs, rac
sxvas ekuTvnis?! da ra iqneba
mere, risi imedi aqvT, rom
xalxi ivaniSvilis mxardaWe-
ras Sewyvets?! darwmunebuli
var, rac met usamarTlobas Ca-
idens xelisufleba, miT ufro
gaabrazebs mosaxleobas. sazo-
gadoeba isedac gabrazebulia
da kidev ufro gabrazdeba.
_ bevri saubrebia imis Ta-
obazec, rom SeiZleba xelis-
uflebam arc ivaniSvilis dep-
ortacia iTakilos. es ramde-
nad SesaZlebelia?
_ deportacia kidev ufro
uaresia. erTia moqalaqeobis
CamorTmeva da
meorea, piris qv-
eynidan gaZevebiT
misi ojaxTan di-
zentegracia mo-
axdino. amis ime-
di nuravis eqne-
ba, radgan ramo-
denime saaTSi
SeiZleba amis sa-
w i n a a R md e god
strasburgis sa-
samarTlodan sa-
rCelis uzrun-
velyofis mopo-
veba. ivaniSvili
evrokavSiris we-
vri moqalaqea,
mas 360 dRis
manZilze SeuZ-
lia aq yofna.
_ Tumca, araerTi faqti
arsebobs, Tu rogor eqceva
xelisufleba ucxo qveynis mo-
qalaqeebs.
_ aq safrangeTis moqalaqe-
oba gadamwyveti faqtori araa.
ivaniSvili aris figura, rome-
lic saTaveSi udgas opozici-
ur koalicias. aqedan gamomdi-
nare, aseTi piris mimarT Zala-
dobrivi, ukanono aqtebis gan-
xorcieleba didi kiTxvis niS-
nis qveS svams arCevnebis leg-
itimurobas. Tu xelisufleba
amas daupirispirdeba, es ukve
niSnavs imas, rac aqamde vTqvi
_ kadafizacias, asadizacias,
mubaraqizacias, rac saqarT-
veloSi gamoricxulia. Cveni
finali aseTi iqneba _ arCevne-
bis gziT Seicvleba es xelis-
ufleba.
Tamar SveliZe
,,,,saerTo gazeTs” qveyanaSii
Seqmniill polliitiikur proceseb-
Tan dakavSiirebiiT ,,,,naciionallurii
moZraobiis~,, erT-eerTii damfuZne-
bellii,, parllamentiis yofiillii de-
putatii beso juReli esaub-
ra.
_ batono beso, Tqven ,,na-
cionaluri moZraobis” erT-eer-
Ti damfuZnebeli brZandebiT,
rogoria Tqveni pozicia dRes
qveyanaSi Seqmnil politikur
procesebTan dakavSirebiT?
_ xelisuflebis mx-
ridan biZina ivaniSvilis
ase aSkarad devna marTe-
bulad ar mimaCnia, radgan
qmedebebi, romeliTac xe-
lisufleba ivaniSvilis
winaaRmdeg axorcielebs,
sazianoa ara mxolod ,,na-
cionaluri moZraobisT-
vis”, aramed mTeli saqar-
TvelosTvis. mmarTveli
gundis wevrebs erTi ram
aviwydebaT, rom qarTveli
kaci, Tavisi bunebidan ga-
momdinare, yovelTvis
mxars uWers daCagruls.
amitom e.w. ,,Savi” meTode-
biT ivaniSvilze zewola
,,nacionaluri moZraobis”
wisqvilze wyals namdvilad ver
daasxams, radgan imiT, rasac xe-
lisufleba ivaniSvilis winaaR-
mdeg axorcielebs, xalxi ufro
Riziandeba da e.w. neitraluri
amomrCeveli aseT SemTxvevaSi
,,daCagrulis” biZina ivaniSvi-
lis pozicias daiWers.
_ rogor fiqrobT, ratom
devnis xelisufleba biZina iva-
niSvils?
_ ZiriTadi motivi, albaT,
ufro SiSis faqtoria, radgan
xelisuflebas marTvis berkete-
bis dakargva ar surs.
_ biZina ivaniSvili mixeil
saakaSvilisTvis seriozul kon-
kurentad ganixileba. arsebuli
realobis gaTvaliswinebiT, Tqv-
en rogor SeafasebT biZina iva-
niSvilis Sansebs?
_ mixeil saakaSvils arse-
buli kanonmdeblobis mixedviT
mesame vadiT prezidentad ken-
Wisyris ufleba ar aqvs, amitom
biZina ivaniSvilisa da mixeil
saakaSvilis gzebi ar gadaikve-
Teba. dRevandeli gadasaxedidan
Znelia visaubro, ra iqneba oTxi
wlis Semdeg.
_ rogor fiqrobT, 2012 we-
ls dagegmil saparlamento ar-
Cevnebze ivaniSvilisa da saa-
kaSvilis gzebi ar gadaikve-
Teba?
_ es procesi damokidebu-
li iqneba imaze, mixeil saa-
kaSvili samomavlod ras api-
rebs. is Tu premierobas an
parlamentis Tavmjdomareobas
apirebs, cxadia, aseT SemTx-
vevaSi, oqtomberSi, ivaniSvi-
lisa da saakaSvilis gzebi gada-
ikveTeba, radgan zemoT CamoTv-
lili sakiTxebi swored parla-
mentis gadasawyveti iqneba.
amitom saparlamento arCevnebze
ivaniSvilma Tu gaimarjva, mixe-
il saakaSvils sakanonmdeblo
organos mxardaWeris imedi
aRar unda hqondes. jerjero-
biT, aravin ar icis, ras apirebs
saakaSvili, rCeba saqarTveloSi,
ar rCeba, apirebs politikaSi
darCenas, Tu ara, magram SeiZ-
leba iTqvas, rom oqtombris ar-
Cevnebis Sedegebze Zalian bevri
ram iqneba damokidebuli.
xelisuflebis TqmiT, sapar-
lamento arCevnebi Tavisuflad
da demokratiulad unda Catar-
des, ise mec ar mepareba eWvi,
rom Semodgomaze arCevnebi mSvi-
dobian, demokratiul viTareba-
Si Caivlis.
_ xalxis ganwyobiT Tu vim-
sjelebT, im SemTxvevaSi, Tu mi-
xeil saakaSvilma arCevnebis de-
mokratiulad Catareba uzrun-
velyo, didi albaTobiT, SesaZ-
loa, igi damarcxdes. wava saa-
kaSvili am daTmobaze?
_ mixeil saakaSvilma saqar-
Tvelo iseT rangSi aiyvana, rom
msoflios TvalSi Cveni qveyana
xelwamosakravad aRar iTvleba.
amitom man arCevnebi arasamarT-
lianad rom Caataros, saqvey-
nod Tavi moeWreba da vfiqrob,
saakaSvili amaze ar wava da ar-
Cevnebs demokratiulad Caata-
rebs.
_ erT-eerT interviuSi aRni-
SneT, rom imis miuxedavad, rom
ivaniSvili qvelmoqmedia, ar ni-
Snavs imas, rom is xels Se-
uwyobs qveyanaSi demokratiuli
principebis danergvas. ras gu-
lisxmobT?
_ mas Semdeg, rac saqarTve-
lo damoukidebeli gaxda, im
dRidan moyolebuli dRemde de-
mokratiis maCvenebeli TandaTa-
nobiT dadebiTad viTardeba. sam-
wuxarod, qarTul genSi gamjda-
ria, rom adamians gamarjvebis
Semdeg Zalian uWirs Tavisi
,,skamis” daTmoba. saqarTvelo
arc norvegiaa arc Sveicaria da
arc dania, sadac xalxi ukve is-
toriulad demokratiul cxov-
rebas SeeCvia. qarTveli xalxi
ki namdvili demokratiisTvis
jerjerobiT mzad ar aris. erTs
vambobT xolme, magram saqme saq-
meze rom midgeba, yvelafers ma-
inc avtokratiulad vwyvetT.
_ rogorc Tqven ambobT, qar-
Tvel xalxs Sesisxlxorcebu-
li ar aqvs demokratia.
_ samwuxarod, qarTveli ka-
ci Zalian Znelad egueba rogo-
rc Zalauflebis dakargvas ise
makontrolebels. ivaniSvili,
marTalia, axla ambobs, rom mi-
si xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Sem-
TxvevaSi, saqarTveloSi demok-
ratia iqneba, RmerTma qnas iyos,
magram me, rogorc erT indi-
vids, amaSi eWvi mepareba.
_ ratom, ra aris mizezi?
problema biZina ivaniSvilSia
Tu mis garemocvaSi?
_ biZina ivaniSvilis mimarT
aranairi pretenzia ar maqvs,
magram misi gundis xelisufle-
baSi mosvlis SemTxvevaSi mox-
deba ise, rogorc gamsaxurdias
dros moxda, roca mTeli par-
lamenti xalxma gaaqcia. ivaniS-
vilis irgvliv gaerTianebuli
partiebi, xelisuflebaSi mosv-
lis SemTxvevaSi, im boRmiT mov-
len, romelic ,,nacionaluri
moZraobis” mimarT aqvT da Sem-
deg daiwyeben bolos gadmonTxe-
vas da swored es iqneba saSine-
leba saqarTvelosa da qarTveli
xalxisTvis.
_ batono beso, SesaZloa
politikaSi kidev gixiloT?
_ kargad Tu cudad Cemi saq-
me gavakeTe da axla jeri axal-
gazrdebzea. politikaSi dabru-
nebas namdvilad aRar vapireb.
miranda nabaxteveli
`politikaSi dabrunebas
namdvilad aRar vapireb~
beso juReli:beso juReli: xelisuflebis mxridan ivaniSvilis ase aSkarad
devna marTebuli ar aris
7 gv.
9saerTo gazeTi#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
`saerTo gazeTis ~ stuma-
ria mariam cacanaSvili
_ qalbatono mariam, rac
xdeba saqarTveloSi, yvelasT-
vis gasagebia, vgulisxmob
axal-aaxali kanonebis miRebas,
dajarimebebsa da dayadaRebebs
erTi kacis, batoni ivaniSvilis
gamo. `samarTlianobisTvis~
sxva partiebsac rom daerivnen,
esec saxezea, magram modiT, ma-
galiTad aviRoT am yvelafris
saTave, batoni ivaniSvili da
vTqvaT, rasTan gvaqvs saqme, ra-
tom exveva es piri am gaugeb-
robebSi, mas xom hyavs mrCeve-
lebi iuridiul sakiTxebSi.
_ subieqti ar hyavT, amde-
nad, gaugebaria ras akeTeben.
_ rogor ar hyavT, aba, vin
aris biZina ivaniSvili.
_ es, Tqven ambobT, rom su-
bieqtia, magram iuridiulad is
ar aris subieqti. Tu iuridiu-
lad miudgebi sakiTxs, man unda
agos pasuxi, vinc `es~ Caidina.
mivyveT _ vTqvaT, Caidina iva-
niSvilma da `qarTu banks~ daa-
de yadaRa _ `qarTu bankis~ ro-
gorc damfuZnebel subieqtad
iuridiul dokumentebSi ar
aris es kaci. mere ukan wamo-
vidnen da `qarTu bankis~ dam-
fuZnebel `qarTu jgufs~ miad-
gnen. `qarTu jgufs~ hyavs eqv-
si damfuZnebeli – iqac ar aR-
moCnda subieqtad, is yofila
beneficiali mflobeli. rogor
avuxsnaT es Cvens moqalaqeebs _
anu, me var iseTi subieqti, vi-
sac, is normebi, romelic iTq-
va saxelmwifos mxridan, arc
erTi ar mexeba?
_ magram, realurad, mainc
rom exeba?
_ kanoni aris SejibrebiTo-
ba samarTlebriv terminologi-
aSi, rasac akeTebs saxelmwifo
da akeTeben advokatebi, roca
Widaoben. samoqalaqo enaze es
ase SegviZlia vTqvaT _ saxel-
mwifom Tavisi moCvenebiTi fan-
taziebiT daado yadaRa da gai-
jiriTa samarTlebrivi meqaniz-
mebiT im subieqtze, vinc iuri-
diulad ar arsebobs. me erTi
ram SemiZlia giTxraT, Tu gin-
da, rom mougo saakaSvilis xe-
lisuflebas, unda mougo iuri-
diul detalebSi – es cnobili
faqtia. amitom, Zalian kargia,
rom batonma ivaniSvilma kargad
gadaitana amaTi saqcieli saka-
nonmdeblo sivrceSi.
_ es ras niSnavs, ras gu-
lisxmobT.
_ aqamde, amaT, iuridiul
detalebze aravin gamohkidebia,
Sehyvebodnen, magram Cerdebod-
nen. wina planze rom advoka-
tebma gadmoinacvles, bevrs uk-
virda, maT ra unda gaakeTon
politikurado. ra unda gaake-
Ton da, rodesac raRac xdeba,
adgilzeve, pirvelad dokumen-
tebs isini naxuloben. axla,
Soridan, me da Tqven azrad ar
mogvividoda, rom sasamarTlo
gamoitanda gadawyvetilebas,
daiwyeboda dayadaReba da Tur-
me masze ar aris mosamarTlis
xelmowera...
Tqven iseT kiTxvebs misvamT,
rom iqiTken migyavT saubari,
razec xuTi-eqvsi welia ga-
mocxadebuli maqvs, rom komen-
tars ar vakeTeb _ samarTali
da kanonmdebloba, aris proce-
duruli. Tu procedurebi ka-
nonSic aRreulia da morgebu-
li gaqvs xelisuflebaze, yve-
laferi aRreuli geqneba.
Cven vsaubrobT kanonebze da
ar vsvamT kiTxvas, ras verCiT
sabWoTa kavSirs? 1937 wlis
kanonebs ras verCiT? _ ara,
amas mouZebna ganmarteba demok-
ratiulma sazogadoebam, rom es
iyo kanonebi, romelic xalxis
nebas ar gamoxatavdao. diax,
geubnebiT, rom kanonebi, rom-
lebic dayadaRebasa da msgavs
sakiTxebs exeba, araa xalxis
nebis gamomxatveli. maSasadame,
es aris iaraRi mmarTvelis
xelSi mmarTvelobis SesanarCu-
neblad. aqedan gamomdinare, Cven
gvaqvs kanonebi da ar gvaqvs sa-
marTli.
_ saxezea gaTanamedrovebu-
li gakulakeba.
_ absoluturad geTanxme-
biT. Zalian martivad SegviZlia
vTqvaT imaze, rac exeba pirad
qonebas. vTqvaT, yadaRa _ iseT
vadebSia Casmuli, verafers ve-
Rar aswreb, anu samarTlebriv
procedurebs veRar mimarTav da
unda daemorCilo.
sxvaTa Soris, rodesac ese-
ni movidnen xelisuflebaSi da
qonebaze datakeba undodaT, er-
Tma saintereso figuram,
iuristma, mkiTxa, ra aqti SeiZ-
leba miviRoT, rom qonebis sa-
kiTxebi davareguliroTo, imi-
tomo, rom rogorc ki mivadge-
biT CamosarTmevad, raRac do-
kumentebs amoafrialeben, 10-
20-30 wlis winandels da ime-
ebs sad vdioTo. ver gavige, ra
aqti gindaT-meTqi. ai, preziden-
tis brZanebulebiTo. ras brZa-
nebT, rogor SeiZleba, prezi-
dentis brZanebulebiT
gadafaroT sakuTrebis
xelSeuvalobis kons-
tituciuri ufleba.
maSin, mogiwevT isic
CaweroT prezidentis
brZanebulebaSi, rom
adamianis uflebaTa
deklaracia saqarTve-
loSi ar muSaobs-Tqo.
sakuTrebis ufleba
imdenad Zlieria, amis
gamo revoluciebi mo-
xda... Tu fiqrob, rom
pirs is arakanonierad
aqvs da ginda CamorT-
meva, diaxac, im doku-
mentebiT unda sdio,
rasac is giCvenebs, Tu
es ar mogwons, maSin,
samarTalze nu melaparakebi,
ra?! samarTlianoba aRar aris
da ra samarTalze vilapara-
koT...
dasavlur Rirebulebebze
Tu uWiravT Tvali, aba, vnaxoT,
magaliTad, inglisSi, rogor
wyveten am sakiTxs. vTqvaT,
dadginda, rom viRac SeiWra
sxvis binaSi (Tavisufal
farTSi sadac patroni ar
cxovrobs) da ukanonod aris
iq. ra Tqma unda, gamosasax-
lebelia, magram sasamarTlo
imas uyurebs, rom samarT-
liani iyos misi gadawyveti-
leba. noembridan martamde
saerTod ar miiRebs gamosax-
lebis gadawyvetilebas, zam-
Taria, civa, rom gamovasax-
lo, sad waviyvanoo? ga-
zafxulze gamoitans gadawy-
vetilebas da miswers sa-
xelmwifos, rom is valde-
bulia uzrunveleyos piris
socialuri dacva da mo-
iTxovs dokumenturad da-
dasturebul pasuxs, sad aZ-
levs TavSesafars; manamde
elodeba da mxolod amis
Semdeg gamoaqvs gadawyveti-
leba mesakuTris sasargeb-
lod. es drosTan aris da-
kavSirebuli, magram mesa-
kuTre iTmens, radgan icis,
rom mis sasargeblod ga-
dawydeba. sad aris aq usamarT-
loba?
damisaxelon msoflios er-
Ti qveyana, sadac adamianebi mi-
dian da TavianT qonebas saxel-
mwifos Cuqnian, Tan ratomRac
Ramis pirvel saaTze da am
dros notariussac ar sZinavs,
samuSao grafiki ar aqvs. amaTi
axali kanoni ra aris iciT, Sen
unda mixvide da dakargulad
gamoacxado Seni qoneba. dakar-
guli aris is, rasac patroni
ar hyavs, Sen rogor ityvi rom
Sens qonebas patroni ar hyavs,
aba, rogor aris Seni da Tu Se-
nia, rogor aris upatrono –
axal miTSi gadavidnen, kanonis
axlebur gagebaSi. aseTi cini-
kuri damokidebuleba aqvT ka-
nonTan da raRac kanonierebaze
laparakoben...
_ ar aris samarTali, ki, ba-
tono. misdgnen ivaniSvils, uya-
daReben da ajarimeben sakmao
TanxiT, rodemde SeiZleba es
gagrZeldes, ramenairi dasasru-
li xom aqvs. xom ar midis saq-
me iqiT, rom es, ase vTqvaT, ga-
mafrTxilebeli wkipurtebia,
mTavari dartyma bolos iqneba
da Tu es asea, ra SeiZleba vi-
varaudoT., sad migviyvans am xe-
lisuflebis e.w samarTali.
_ cxadia, misma advokatebma
akrifes sawyisi dokumentebi da
daiwyes samarTlebrivi proce-
durebi, rac gagrZeldeba ori-
sami weli mainc. axla, Tqven
gagecinebaT, am xnis ganmavloba-
Si an Cven aRar viqnebiT, an iva-
niSvilio, nervebi gauZlebso?
naxeT, sadamde mivediT, ar gvin-
da samarTali. kacs aqvs imis
nebisyofa, rom daelodos sa-
marTlianobas da amiT Senc giC-
venebs, rom mis xelSi samarT-
lianoba iqneba amosavali...
_ batoni ivaniSvili rom
uarze dadga, ar gadavixdi ja-
rimaso da marTlac ar apirebs
gadaxdas, ra SeiZleba amas moh-
yves.
_ Cven ar gvaqvs saqme gaji-
utebul bavSvTan, romelsac
dauCemebia, arafersac ar gada-
vixdio. magaliTad, `prokredit
bankis~ SemTxvevaSi gamovida
advokati da Tqva, yvelaferi
sworad aris dadgenili, iq su-
bieqtebi varT da vixdiTo. sa-
dac ar aris samarTlebrivi
procedurebi dasrulebuli, am-
bobs, ar gadavixdio da marT-
lac, ar unda gadaixados. iva-
niSvili amiT eubneba, Sen iZu-
leba giweria kanonSi? _ midi,
gaakeTe, gamogyvebi bolomde, ar
daviRlebi!
_ advokatebisgan gamudmebiT
ismis, rom kanonSi RriWoebia...
_ amaTi miRebuli kanonebi
aris raRac zogadi frazebi
deklaraciis doneze. kanoni un-
da iyos regulatori, sadac
zustad iqneba gansazRvruli
formulebi, romlebsac Tqvenc
mixvdebiT, mec, sxvac _ es un-
da iyos sazogadoebrivi SeTan-
xmeba. `saeWvo viTarebaSi~, `da-
kavSirebuli piri~, `gonivruli
eWvis farglebSi~ _ am fraze-
bidan rames gebulobT? vTqvaT,
is, rom romeliRac banki iva-
niSvilisaa, gonivruli eWvia,
magram Tu Sen iuridiul enaze
melaparakebi, aba, wamomyevi
iuridiul brZolaSi. iurisp-
rudencia imisaa, rom yvelafe-
ri iyos dasabuTebuli...
saakaSvili miTebis qveyanaSi
cxovrobs. 2002 wels iusti-
ciis sabWo rom iqmneboda, mi-
Sas uTxres, esa da es qalba-
toni Zalian samarTliania da
iusticiis sabWoSi gamodgebao.
`Cven ar gvinda samarTlianoba,
Cven gvinda damajerebeli miTi~,
_ upasuxa miSam. ai, am miTebiT
movida miSa da miTebSi amyo-
febs qveyanas, maT Soris, saka-
nonmdeblo miTebSic, rom TiT-
qos, yvelaferi kanonSia gawe-
rili. imdenad Caeflo Tavisive
SeTxzul miTebSi, rom TviTon-
ve daijera da axla gagiJebu-
lia, am xalxs ratom aRar sje-
ra Cemio _ xelSi SegvrCa sa-
kuTar miTebSi gaxveuli miSi-
ko.
_ ra aris batoni biZinasa
da misi iuristebis simSvidis
safuZveli, Tqven mainc gagvage-
bineT, Torem mxolod `yvela-
feri kargad iqnebas~ TqmaSi,
gadairia xalxi...
_ iuridiuli detalebi-
Ta da terminebiT, romelic
rTuli gasagebia sxva profe-
siis adamianisTvis, ar dagR-
liT, rogorc eqsperti, ge-
ubnebiT, rom saqme Zalze
kargad midis. adamians unda
rom xvalve dainaxos Sedegi,
magram ar aris iuridiuli
procedurebis sakiTxSi ase,
es aris xangrZliv droze ga-
werili.
_ iseTi tempiTa da xri-
kebiT mimdinareobs Tavdasx-
mebi am kacze, viszec mTeli
saqarTveloa Camokidebuli,
rogorc bolo imedze, rom
varaudia gamoTqmuli, cixeSi
Tu ar amoayofines Tavi, de-
portacias mainc mouxerxebe-
no, kidev uaress aRar vam-
bob, anu saqme saiT SeiZleba
rom wavides...
_ deportacias ver gau-
keTeben. me CemTvis vinaxavdi
amas, magram Tqven getyviT, Tvi-
Tonac ician, Tumca, SeiZleba,
ar unda vambobde _
arsad ar weria,arc erT kanonSi, romkacs SeiZleba gaukeT-des deportacia, _ oj-axs ver moacileben –misi ojaxis wevrebiki, saqarTvelos moqa-laqeebi arian
da aq arian, ase rom, damS-
viddiT.
najaxiT rom gvadganan Tav-
ze, es moxdeba da is moxdebao
_ ar moxdeba egre, Cemo miSa
da nacionalebo, ara!
maia WeliZe
saqarTveloSi aris kanonebi,magram ar aris samarTali
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_ batono elizbar, xelisuf-
lebam axali sakadro cvlileba
ganaxorciela, premier-mministris
Tanamdeboba vano merabiSvilma da-
ikava. rogor fiqrobT, riT aris
es ganpirobebuli, rogor SeiZle-
ba ganviTardes movlenebi?
_ xelisuflebisgan, Tavad mi-
xeil saakaSvilisgan aRaraferi
mikvirs. sakadro cvlilebebi saa-
kaSvilisTvis erTgvari xerxia sa-
zogadoebis yuradReba nakleb
mniSvnelovan problemebze gadai-
tanos. Tu gaxsovT, man araerTi
premier-ministri Secvala, zogi
panRuriT gaagdo, zogi madlobiT,
zogsac TavSi saferfle uTxla-
Suna. igi kritikul situaciebSi
yovelTvis msgavsi siaxlis Semo-
tanas iwyebs. rac Seexeba bolo
dros mis mier ganxorcielebul
qmedebebs, es im mdgomareobaSi
myofi adamianis qcevaa, romelic
Tavs kontrols ver uwevs. misi
brZolis meTodebi axali ar aris,
es mis bunebas Seefereba. adre,
qarTvel mosaxleobas ara, magram
dasavleTs, gare samyaros mainc
uwevda angariSs, axla amasac
aRar akeTebs. bokerias gancxadeba:
saqarTvelos bedi saqarTveloSi
unda wydebodeso _ es niSnavs,
rom xelisufleba maSin, roca
saqme maT savarZlebs exebaT, gar-
kveulwilad TavianT saTayvanebel
aSS-sac ki ewinaaRmdegeba. rac Se-
exeba, merabiSvilis premier-minis-
trad daniSvnas, bolo dros vak-
virdebodi `nacionalebis~ mier
gamoqveynebuli `imijis sqemas~,
Tu vin ufro faseuli, cnobilia
saqarTveloSi, wina planze yo-
velTvis vano merabiSvili iyo,
rogorc erT-erTi novatori, re-
formatori, romelmac Seqmna da
gardaqmna policia. am mosazrebas
nawilobriv veTanxmebi kidec,
radgan dRes qarTuli policia,
romelic qarTveli xalxis, sazo-
gadoebis damcveli unda iyos, po-
litikur policiad gardaiqmna,
romelic arsebuli saxelmwifos
da misi meTauris uSiSroebas da
mis prestiJs icavs.
_ anu faqtobrivad am refor-
mis Sedegad policiuri saxelmwi-
fo miviReT?
_ diax. amas Sevadarebdi na-
tos, es gaxlavT Zala, romelic
mTels msoflioSi amerikis poli-
tikur interesebs icavs. Cveni po-
liciac patara nato gaxlavT, ro-
melic mixeil saakaSvils da mis
xelisuflebas icavs. garda amisa,
am reformis sikeTe ar mesmis
Tundac imitom, rom am policiis
mier daaxloebiT asze meti adami-
ani ganukiTxavadaa mokluli ise,
rom kacma ar icis, isini damnaSa-
veni iyvnen Tu ara. es yvelaze di-
di boroteba gaxlavT. Seiqmna man-
qana, romelic ganukiTxavad iWers,
Seuracxyofas ayenebs adamianebs,
meorec, uswordeba opozicione-
rebs, sapatimroebi polit. patim-
rebiTaa avsebuli. jer kidev ma-
Sin, roca antisorosi arsebobda
da mec iq vmoRvaweobdi, am poli-
tikam 13-14 yovlad udanaSaulo
adamiani Seiwira. 7 noembers, xal-
xis darbevis Semdeg, kadrSi Cans,
rogor amayad miabijebs vano mera-
biSvili. xolo 26 maiss im poli-
cielebma, romlebic piradad vano
merabiSvils emsaxurebian sasak-
lao moawyves. rac mTavaria, es
dapatimrebuli adamianebi umowya-
lod scemes policiis sammarTve-
los e.w. gamWvirvale SenobaSi.
gamWvirvale Senobis SigniT jur-
Rmulebia, sadac adamianebs awame-
ben da klaven. am yvelafris Sem-
deg, vinc vano merabiSvilis pre-
mier-ministrad daniSvnas miesal-
ma, isini saqarTvelos politikur
da sulier sikvdils miesalmnen.
vano merabiSvilis niWierebaze
araferi msmenia, magram imdeni go-
niereba ki gamoiCina,
rom SeZlo didi av-
toritetis mopove-
ba. es dadebiTi
movlenaa, rom
Wirsa Tu lxinSi
sakuTar TanamS-
romlebs gver-
diT ud-
g a s ,
magram es niSnavs, rom igi qveynis-
Tvis ki ara, sakuTari TavisTvis
fiqrobda da adamianebs ara qvey-
nis, aramed misdami erTgulebas
unergavda. dRes sazogadoebaSi
aseTi gancda advili mosapovebe-
lia. raime siaxles ar veli, ara-
med am sakadro cvlilebiT ofici-
alurad gacxadda, rom saqarTve-
lo policiuri reJimis qveyanaa.
es isedac cnobili iyo, magram ma-
vanni, rogorc CvenTan, ise dasav-
leTSi, amaze Tvals xuWavda da
saqarTvelos demokratiis mode-
lad acxadebda. axla dadasturda,
rom ase araa. aseve, mTeli siste-
ma policiis gamgeobis qveS moeq-
ca, Tundac ganaTleba. saintereso
ar aris, rom am sferoSi yvela
ministri an prokuraturidan, an
cixidan movida. SaSkini, romelic
trockis magonebs, bavSvebis Tavi-
suflebis pirveli sulisCamkvle-
lia, mandaturebis instituti
pirveli niSania imisa, rom qarTu-
li skola, sadac bavSvis sulieri
aRzrda unda xdebodes, policiis
erT-erT ganyofilebad iqca. uwig-
nuri mandaturebi Tavze asxedan
pedagogebsac da aRsazrdelebsac,
romlebic bavSvebs sikeTes da siy-
varuls ki ara, dasmenas aswavli-
an. es masonuri meTodia. merabiS-
vilis daniSvna aseve, SesaZloa
gamowveulia imis SiSiT da rwme-
niT, rom igi gavleniani kacia, ar-
Cevnebs moigebs da xalxs moTo-
kavs. es gonebanaklulTa mosazre-
bania da swored esaa mTeli ube-
dureba.
_ batono elizbar, rogor
fiqrobT visi an risi braleulo-
baa is, rac dRes qarTvelebs
gvWirs?
_ amaze bevrjer mifiqria da
mivedi im daskvnamde, rom Cven sa-
zogadoeba ar gvyavs. qarTvel kacs
Zalian did pativs vcem, magram
samwuxarod, xalxisadmi mizanmi-
marTuli qmedeba xorcieldeba,
raTa isini morCili monis mdgoma-
reobaSi amyofon. msoflioSi mra-
vali instituti arsebobs, romle-
bic adamianis tvinis gamorecxvaze
muSaobs. Cvenma xelisuflebam es
meTodebi qarTul sinamdvileSi
`brwyinvaled~ gadmoitana da mi-
aRwies imas, rom sazogadoebis di-
di nawili speqtaklis sazogadoe-
bad aqcia, romelsac azrovne-
bis unari ar aqvs, mxolod
sxvis naTqvams ismens da ga-
redan mosmenili azri Tavi-
si hgonia, ver afasebs mov-
lenebs, ver arCevs Savs da
TeTrs. es farTo masebis is
nawilia, vinc eleqtronulma
mediam am donemde miiy-
vana, rac mTavaria,
adamians, rodesac
Sia, igi zneobaze
veRar fiqrobs.
Tavisufali ba-
zaric ise war-
marTes, rom
adamiani uki-
dures gaWirvebaSi Caagdes. aseTi
xalxis did nawils mavanni 10
larianebs uwodebs. aba, maT sca-
don da icxovron 80 larad?! es
xom Segnebuladaa gakeTebuli _
rodesac savaluto fondi da
msoflio banki Cvens qarTul fi-
nansur sistemas afinansebda, isini
xalxis socialuri mdgomareobis
gaumjobesebas saerTod krZalavd-
nen, miTiTeba iyo, rom fantanebis,
xidebis mSeneblobaSi daxarjuli-
yo fuli, rac maT mere ukanve da-
ubrundebaT. amas brwyinvaled as-
rulebs saakaSvili, vinc zog-
zogierTs giJi hgonia. ara, bato-
no, igi pirnaTlad asrulebs im
davalebas, riTac misi taxti Zli-
eria _ es gaxlavT morCileba,
sxvaTa politikis gatareba, rome-
lic angrevs saqarTvelos. rac an-
grevs saqarTvelos, is amagrebs
saakaSvils. SimSilis problema
imitom Seuqmnes xalxs, rom maT
zneobriv sakiTxebze ar efiqraT
da Tavisuflebaze ar eocnebaT. ai,
am mdgomareobaSia dRes sazogado-
eba. Cven ki miveCvieT mesiis molo-
dins _ Turme mova TeTr raSze am-
xedrebuli kaci da gadaarCens sa-
qarTvelos. Cemi megobrebi, visac
Zalian did pativs vcem, dResac
fiqroben, rom zviad gamsaxurdia
cocxalia, Semova TeTr cxenze am-
xedrebuli da saqarTvelos gada-
arCens. es SeiZleba simbolurad
warmoidgino, magram ara _ fizi-
kurad. imis warmodgena, rom igi
cocxalia da imaleba, misi Seu-
racxyofaa.
dRes aseTive mdgomareobaa
Seqmnili ivaniSvilis mimarT. es
imedi xalxs gauCnda, magram maTi
umetesoba fiqrobs: ivaniSvili
mova da gadagvarCenso. am dros,
ar fiqroben imaze, rom qarTvel
xalxSi arsebobs rwmena _ Rmer-
Ti ar gagvwiravs, gadagvarCens,
magram xom arsebobs sxva gamonaT-
qvamic: RmerTma gviTxra xeli ga-
anZrieT da geSvelebaTo. Tu xal-
xma Sinagani SiSi da sxvaze gada-
imedeba sakuTar TavSi ar davZli-
eT, amiT biZina ivaniSvils Zalian
cud dReSi CavagdebT. mec Zalian
mixaria ivaniSvilis gamoCena da
maqvs imedi, rom igi qveynisTvis
kargs da sasurvels moitans, mag-
ram isic nu dagvaviwydeba, rom
gamarjvebas moitans mxolod ma-
Sin, Tuki yvela CvenTagani xels
gamoiRebs da sabrZolvelad er-
Tad davdgebiT. kidev erT prob-
lemaze minda yuradRebis gamaxvi-
leba, xSirad gvesmis qadageba _
evropisken miviswrafviT, Cveni
gza iqiTaao. jer erTi, sad mivdi-
varT, roca evropis nawili odiT-
ganve varT, magram sxva qveynebis-
gan gansxvavebiT gzajvaredinze
viyaviT, sadac erTianad mZlav-
robda, rogorc dasavleTis, ise
aRmosavleTis kultura. es kul-
tura qarTvelma, niWierma xalxma
SeiTvisa, sakuTar TavSi gadaamu-
Sava da msoflio civilizaciis
piramidis SenebaSi Tavisi mniSvne-
lovani wvlili Seitana.
_ batono elizbar, isev mera-
biSvilis gapremierebas davubrun-
deT. rogor fiqrobT, ra gavlenas
moaxdens es saarCevno procesze,
ratom ganxorcielda es cvlile-
ba axla, ra iyo amis mizezi?
_ saakaSvilma Tavad ganacxa-
da, arCevnebi axlovdebao da didi
imedi maqvs merabiSvilis, rogorc
didi avtoritetis mqone piriso.
aramgonia, merabiSvili zneobrivi
an inteleqtualuri avtoriteti
iyos, ubralod igi ZalasTan gai-
givebuli piri gaxlavT, romlis-
Tvisac zneoba mniSvnelovani ar
aris. am politikas atarebs saa-
kaSvili dRidan mosvlisa _ esaa
mosaxleobaSi SiSis politikis
danergva _ Tu xmas ar momcem, mo-
val da dagiWer. cvlilebis arsic
esaa, sxva araferi, isini iseTi
briyvni ar arian, rom amiT adami-
anis fsiqologiaSi raRac Secva-
lon. es fsiqologia CvenSi unda
movklaT. veravin, verc ivaniSvi-
li, verc qriste RmerTi am fsi-
qologias ver Cagviklavs, Tu sa-
kuTar TavSi Tavad ar davZlieT
is, rasac SiSi hqvia. mere da Si-
Si gvaqvs visadmi? SiSi adamians
RmerTisadmi unda hqondes da ara
vinme pirovnebisadmi. erTguleba
unda gvqondes qveynisadmi da ara
vinme pirisadmi. Rirsebis gancda
ar unda Caiklas arc erT adamian-
Si, am xelisuflebam ki es moa-
xerxa. arada, uRirsi adamiani
verc Tavisuflebas moipovebs,
verc pirad bednierebas da verc
qveyanas moutans sikeTes.
_ es cvlileba xom ar niSnavs
imasac, rom xelisufleba `qarTu-
li ocnebis~ triumfalurma aqci-
ebma SeaSfoTa da represiebis ki-
dev ufro gamwvavebas unda velo-
doT?
_ amaze meti raRa unda gamw-
vavdes. erTma viTom opoziciurma
arxma, axal ambebSi gamoacxada _
ivaniSvili mereTSi ver Sevidao _
es pirveli tyuili iyo. igi kidec
Sevida, centrSic idga da mosax-
leobas esaubreboda. meorec, gamo-
acxades, sazogadoebis nawili mas
uaryofiTad Sexvdao. arada, es
xalxi mereTidan ki ara, aramed
specialurad mogzavnili zonder-
brigadebi iyvnen. rodesac `saxal-
xo krebis~ warmomadgenlebi aseT
Sexvedrebze davdiodiT, Zalian
did winaaRmdegobebs vawydebodiT.
magaliTad, ltolvilebTan Sex-
vedrisas dagvxvda mobilizebuli
xalxi, vinc nino burjanaZe, luka
kurtaniZe kinaRam Caqoles, qvebi
dascxes da maT Zlivs gamoaswres,
bewvze gadarCnen. arc erTi opozi-
ciuri partia ar gamoxmaurebia am
faqts. aseve, roca 26 maiss sisx-
li daiRvara, arc erTma opozici-
urma partiam, romelic dRes iva-
niSvilis gverdiT brZandeba, ar
ganacxada, rom es qarTveli xal-
xis kvla iyo. piriqiT, gaxarebu-
lebi iyvnen, televizorTan xelebs
ifSvnetdnen da iZaxdnen _ Cven
xom vambobdiT am xelisuflebis
damarcxeba ase ar SeiZlebodao.
axla, davjdebi da roca eseni da-
marcxdebian, mere me vityvi _ xom
vambobdi, ase ar SeiZleba-meTqi,
magram saqarTvelos rame eSveleba
amiT?! _ amaze arc erTi ar fiq-
robs, arc opozicia, arc pozicia,
aramed fiqroben TavianT sajdom-
ze, muclis amoyorvaze.
_ bolo dros mudmivad iyo
saubrebi, TiTqos merabiSvili xe-
lisuflebas ganudga da opozici-
aSi gadmosvlas apirebs, Tumca
aSkaraa, rom saxelisuflebo gun-
di Seikra...
_ es saubrebi Segnebulad iyo.
batoni biZina keTilSobili, mag-
ram gulubryvilo adamiania _ ver
xvdeba, visTan aqvs saqme. eseni xom
adamianebi ar arian. eseni satanis
yalibSi Camosxmuli arsebebi ari-
an, vinc dedas ar gauCenia, ar ar-
sebobs boroteba, rasac isini ar
Caidenen. rogor SeiZleba maT
sityviT moefero. maT ara idea,
aramed danaSaulebebi aerTianebT.
maT aqvT SiSi, rom bevri maTgani
cixemdec ki ver miaRwevs. xalxi
isea gamwarebuli, SeiZleba Caqo-
los isini, ai, amis SiSi aqvT.
_ am iluziidan rogor gamo-
videT?
_ es iluzia arsebobs. qarT-
veli xalxi Tavad iqmnis am ilu-
zias, misCerebia televizors, sia-
movnebs iq arsebuli kargi cxov-
rebis yureba da hgonia, rom Tvi-
Tonac kargad cxovrobs maSin,
rodesac saxlSi lukma puri ar
aqvs. CvenSi, es Tu ar daimsxvra,
saqme damTavrebulia. xalxi vir-
tualur mdgomareobaSia da ar
undaT gamofxizleba, ar undaT
virtualuri cxovrebidan amox-
toma, rac damRupvelia.
Tamar SveliZe
vinc merabiSvilis premier-ministrad daniSvnas miesalma, isini saqarTvelos politikur da sulier sikvdils miesalmnen
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
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gTavazobT saubars koalicia
`qarTuli ocnebis~ Coxatauris
maJoritari deputatobis kandi-
dat Temur WkuaselTan.
_ batono Temur, elodiT,
rom deputatobis kandidatad da-
gasaxelebdnen?
_ deputatobis kandidatad
dasaxeleba CemTvis zustad iseTi-
ve moulodneloba iyo, rogorc
TviT biZina ivaniSvilis politi-
kaSi Semosvla. 15 weliwadia am
adamians vicnob, araerTxel gvisa-
ubria am sakiTxze da yovelTvis
winaaRmdegi iyo politikasTan
odnav moaxloebisac ki, magram,
roca Cemma megobarma, batonma bi-
Zinam ganacxada, rom politikaSi
mosvla misTvis movaleoba iyo,
mec dRes Tavs valdebulad
vTvli, am Znel saqmeSi gverdiT
davudge Cems megobars. roca igi
riskebze ukan ar ixevs da gTxovs,
rom gverdiT daudge, bunebrivia,
uars ver etyvi.
_ icnobT guriis problemebs?
iciT, ra uWirs da ra ulxins
xalxs CoxataurSi?
_ amas winaT moviareT zemo
imereTis soflebi, viyavi WiaTu-
raSi, sxvaganac, ra Tqma unda, sa-
ocrad movixible iqaurobiT, mag-
ram dameufla ormagi gancda _
aRfrTovaneba araCveulebrivi si-
lamaziT da pirispir Sejaxeba
ukidures gaWirvebasTan. xalxi
iseT dReSia, guli mogikvdeba.
warmoidgineT, roca bebia ityvis,
SviliSvilis gaCena ar gamixar-
dao, ra mdgomareoba unda iyos...
CoxataurSic zustad igive
gaWirvebaa, rac sxvagan. me kargad
vicnob iqaurebis problemebs,
radgan TviTon warmoSobiT so-
fel saWamiaseridan var. iq aris
Cemi mamuleTi, im dasaxlebasac
mamulari hqvia, sadac mamaCemi da-
ibada da gaizarda. mamaCemi cnobi-
li fizikosi iyo, muSaobda so-
xumSi omisSemdgom periodSi. ma-
Sin ori cnobili mecnieri wamo-
iyvana beriam da uranis gamdidre-
baze daawyebina muSaoba. mamaCemi
imxanad axalgazrda fizikosi iyo,
mamam da cnobilma mecnierma albe-
nem erToblivi muSaobiT moaxer-
xes uranis gamdidreba, ris gamoc
mamas stalinuri premia mianiWes.
miuxedavad imisa, rom mamaCemi
mecnieri iyo, TveSi ramdenime dRe
glexi gaxldaT. ver tovebda so-
fels, Zalian uyvarda iqauroba.
mere yvelaferi Cemze gadmovida
da dRemde, SeZlebisdagvarad, yu-
radRebas vaqcev mamiseuls.
dedaCemi lanCxuTeli guruli
iyo, bebia da babua orive mxridan
gurulebi arian, erTi sityviT,
sufTa sisxlis guruli var da
valdebuli var davexmaro Coxata-
urs, riTac SemiZlia.
_ rogor apirebT Canafiqris
ganxorcielebas, iqneb ufro kon-
kretuli iyoT.
_ SesaZleblobebis maqsimumiT
vecdebi, viyo absoluturad sxva
yaidis maJoritari, minda viyo
Suamavali xelisuflebas da gu-
rulebs Soris. problema Zalian
bevria, magram, rac mTavaria, Rir-
seba minda davubruno Cems kuTxes.
ojaxidan mogvdgams da mTeli gu-
ria asea _ stumarze metad ara-
feri ar uxaroda maspinZels, me-
17-s-Si italieli misionerebic
xazs usvamdnen gurulebis gansa-
kuTrebul stumarTmoyvareobas.
mere Tedo saxokia werda: guria-
Si romeli ezos WiSkarTanac ar
unda Cagevlo, getyodnen: Camobr-
Zandi, batono, Tqveni xelis naba-
ni wyali dagvitove ojaxSio.
axla ise uWirs iqaurebs,
stumris daxvedra Cveulebisamebr,
aRar SeuZliaT. specialurad ake-
Teben amas, yovelgvari lamazis,
identuris, tradiciulis amoZir-
kva undaT. Cveni gadasarCenia yve-
laferi es. amas mTeli seriozu-
lobiT vambob da es ar aris mxo-
lod paTetika.
_ minda imedi viqonio da al-
baT, asec iqneba, rom im kuTxis
problemebs sakuTar tvirTad
aRiqvamT, magram iciT, albaT, rom
es tvirTi simZimis garda pasu-
xismgeblobac iqneba.
_ diliT adre viRviZeb, gamo-
vaReb fanjaras da Citebis xmas
vusmen. guriaSi rom ityvian, jer
gatialebuli rom araa da ialo-
ni (alioni _ gurulad _ i.k.)
rom aris jer kidev, ai, maSin
amekviateba fiqri _ es xelisuf-
leba sxvaganaa da xalxi sxvagan,
absoluturad acdenili arian er-
TmaneTs, erTi alTasaa, meore _
balTas...
Tu davinaxe, rom axali par-
lamenti iseTive umaqnisi da
umoqmedo iqna, rogoric axla
aris, Cems adgils me aseT parla-
mentSi ver vxedav, amitom davto-
veb, albaT, deputatobas, magram
TiTqmis darwmunebuli var, moma-
vali sakanonmdeblo organo sul
sxvanairi iqneba.
Rrmad var darwmunebuli, rom
qveyanas aucileblad gamoviyvanT
am mdgomareobidan im SemTxvevaSi,
Tu Cven movalT xelisuflebaSi.
rac Seexeba arCevnebs. win Za-
lian seriozuli brZola gvaqvs.
sadac, savaraudod, ar iqneba da-
culi TamaSis wesebi. Tu, magali-
Tad, Cems bavSvobaSi fexburTis
TamaSis dros arCevani da aradani
iyo, am xelisuflebam icis mxo-
lod arCevani, ambobs: _ arCevani
me da aradanic me. ar gaZlevs imis
uflebas, airCio vinc ginda, ro-
goric ginda. gasagebia, rom xeli-
suflebas, radgan Zalaufleba
upyria xelT, aqvs arCevanis Tqmis
ufleba, magram dagvitovos Cven
aradanis SesaZlebloba. mokled,
me vocnebob, saqarTveloSic ise
iyos, rogorc msoflios norma-
lur qveynebSi da arCevnebi ar
iyos viRacis Tavis gasatexi, vi-
Racis dasaWeri, viRacis yelis
gamosaWreli procesi.
_ batono Temur, Tqven xelo-
vani kaci xarT, saqarTveloSi ki
mavani ambobs _ parlamentSi xe-
lovanebis adgili araa, politi-
kosebis saasparezo moedaniao.
Tqven rogor migaCniaT, xarT sa-
Wiro dRes qarTuli politikisT-
vis?
_ ver getyviT, var Tu ara sa-
Wiro politikaSi, magram axla
maxsendeba socialur qselebSi
mexumrebian _ Temur Wkuaseli
momRerlobis garda mweralic yo-
fila, Jurnalistic, scenarebsac
wers Turme, maliari xom ara xar,
biWoo?! albaT, mxatvruli fil-
mis `beRurebis gadafrenis~
asociaciiT, ise, ki, Tu saWiro
iqneba qveynisTvis, maliaric
viqnebi, meSaxtec, miwis mu-
SAc... Tumca, me vfiqrob, ufro
kargi mwerali var, vidre mom-
Rerali, Cemi scenarebiT fil-
mebi aris gadaRebuli, ramdeni-
me gamoqveynebuli da gamouq-
veynebeli wignis avtori var,
gaxlavarT premiebis laurea-
ti, Rirsebis ordenis kavale-
ri, 45 qveyanaSi gavitane sa-
qarTvelos saxeli, gadaRebu-
li maqvs 7-seriani satelevi-
zio filmi, 16 satelevizio
filmi Cavwere safrangeTSi,
mqonda saavtoro gadacema da
vimuSave mTavar redaqtorad
televiziaSi wlebis ganmavlo-
baSi.
axla cotas gurulad wa-
vitrabaxeb: qalbatonma ivlita
mesxiSvilma erTxel Tqva: mTe-
li Cemi moRvaweobis ganmavlo-
baSi iseTi mTavari redaqtori,
rogoric Temur Wkuaselia, me ar
Semxvedriao da gadamekida mere
mTeli televizia am sityvebis ga-
mo.
yvelaferi es imitom movyevi,
rom gavlili maqvs es gzebi da
Tu deputatoba movipove, Zalian
kargad vici, rac unda gavakeTo.
diax, es sakiTxi trialebs sa-
zogadoebaSi _ ratom xelovani,
ratom sportsmeni, ai, amitom,
rac zemoT CamovTvale da Zalian
mesiamovna es kiTxva rom damisviT.
minda giTxraT: me, Temur Wku-
asels, arasdros mqonia problema
imisa, rom ar vyofiliyavi saqar-
Tvelos parlamentis deputati _
pirdapir getyviT, adrec mqonia
SemoTavazebebi zustad Coxatau-
ris maJoritarobaze, magram maSin
uari vTqvi.
_ romeli partiidan gqondaT
SemoTavazeba? ratom TqviT uari?
_ romeli partiidan, amas ax-
la ar aqvs arsebiTi mniSvneloba.
mTavari isaa, rom me uari vTqvi,
radgan zustad vicodi, araviTari
Sansi ar meqneboda im problemebis
mogvarebis, ra problemebic Coxa-
taurSia. axla imitom var Tanax-
ma, rom zustad vici, rac Cafiq-
rebuli maqvs, gavakeTeb.
Cemi varaudiT, 4 an 5 ivliss
mivdivar guriaSi da irakli aba-
SiZis leqsis ar iyos: `amieridan
aq davsaxldebi, Cemi samSoblo
aris guria~. sami Tve iq viqnebi
da fexs ar movicvli Coxatauri-
dan.
pasuxismgebloba didia. roca
qveyana, xalxi, amxela movaleobas
gakisrebs, faqtobrivad, gamodis,
rom mosveneba unda dakargo, dau-
zogavad unda iSromo, me Cemi Si-
nagani xasiaTiT aseTi var, biZina
ivaniSvili ki, mogexsenebaT, ra
Tavgadakluli patriotia.
_ mainc rogori xarT, Tavidan
yvela ase laparakobs.
_ wagikiTxavT Cems nawers,
romelic 1985 wels Cavwere Cems
wignSi da miiRebT mag kiTxvaze
pasuxs: `Cemo winaprebo, maxar-
bel, grigol, Toma, biqtor, da-
viT, madloba Tqven, rom miander-
ZeT swori nakvTebi, fiqriani,
mRelvare, zRvisferi Tvalebi, ke-
Tili aRnagoba, swrafi reaqcia,
simReris siyvaruli, iumoris
grZnoba, bilwsityvaobisadmi zi-
zRi, ufrosebisadmi mokrZaleba
da umcrosis pativiscema. madlo-
ba Tqven, rom mianderZeT naTeli
azrovnebis, TavSekavebis, mcire-
diT dakmayofilebis, movaleobis
ardaviwyebis, patiebis, movlenebi-
sa da sakuTari Tavis Secnobis,
situaciis Sefasebis, moyvasis si-
xarulisa da mwuxarebis gaziare-
bis, moyvrisa da keTilis garCe-
vis, silamazis aRqmisa da keTi-
lad gaRimebis unari.
madloba Tqven, rom miander-
ZeT konkurenciis dros ucnauri
ridi da simorcxve, arCevanis win
dabneva, pativmoyvareobisagan gaCe-
nili SiSi, mcire sayveduriTac ki
gaRizianeba, impulsuri xasiaTi,
metismeti sificxe, drodadro
moduneba da sizarmace da medRe-
mexvalieoba; madloba imitom, rom
saSualeba momeciT, SevebrZolo
yovelive amas da davtkbe ganvli-
li wlebis sixaruliT. magram, ma-
xarbel, grigol, Toma, biqtor,
daviT, romelma daideT `codva~
da romelma gadmomiloceT adami-
anTa Secnobis ucnauri unari, si-
zifes lodiviT rom mawevs gul-
ze da mTeli cxovreba Tan max-
lavs.
ras merCodiT, ra davaSave, ga-
na ar jobda qronikuli surdoTi
gageSviT im ukidegano yvavilnar-
Si, cxovreba rom hqvia?!~
es aris Cemi xasiaTi da kidev,
ar SemiZlia Ralati, amitom, mgo-
nia, rom Cemi ndoba SeiZleba.
_ da am `arsenaliT~ apirebT
CoxataurSi ZiriTad mowinaaRmde-
geebs _ `nacional gurulebs~ da-
upirispirdeT?
_ cxadia, bevri ram aris mo-
salodneli, Tumca me iq marto
ar viqnebi. CemTan erTad iqnebian
`qarTuli xmebis~ wevrebic. gada-
viRebT saxasiaTo fotoebs da ga-
vakeTebT gamofenas. CvenTan Ca-
movlen Cemi megobrebi, cnobili
adamianebi; guSin kaxi kavsaZes da-
vureke da Camova. raionis bavSvebs
ufasod CavutarebT master-kla-
sebs, mokled, vecdebiT cxovreba
ufro saintereso gavxadoT am sa-
mi Tvis ganmavlobaSi Coxataur-
lebisTvis. rac Seexeba dapirispi-
rebebs, viciT, rogorc unda dav-
xvdeT.
axla rasac getyviT, es,
vfiqrob, siurprizi iqneba
TqvenTvis: axalgazrdobaSi
Zalian miyvarda kartis Tama-
Si. preferanss vTamaSobdi
xSirad da unda giTxraT,
rom kartSi zustad ise xde-
ba, rogorc cxovrebaSi _
aris periodi, rogoradac un-
da moindomo, ara da ar geZ-
leva mogebis Sansi. magram
Semdeg dgeba dro, roca
fortuna Sensken trialdeba
da igeb da igeb. asea cxovre-
baSic... sayovelTao siduxWi-
ris Jams, anu axlandel peri-
odSi, pesimists optimisti
unda sWarbobdes da sayovel-
Tao keTildReobisas opti-
mistze meti pesimisti unda
iyos. axla dadga dro, rom
Seicvalos yvelaferi ukeTe-
sobisken, dadga dro qveyanam
SvebiT amoisunTqos.
iranda kalandaZe
bolo dros ase mexumrebian:_ momRerali xom xar da
xar, mweralic yofilxar,Jurnalistic... `maliaric~
xom ar xar, biWoo?!
12 saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
dausruleblad SeiZleba imaze
laparaki, Tu ra Zalam, ra garemo-
ebebma da ra aucileblobam moiyva-
na mixeil saakas Svili xelisuf-
lebaSi! magram, konkretulad da
isic faqtebiT Tu vimsjelebT,
vfiqrob Zalian martivad amosaxs-
nelia is rebusi, romelic saqarT-
velos, rogorc umniSvnelovanesi
geopolitikuri erTeulis Sesaxeb,
Seqmnes mavanT da romlis amoxsnac,
mTeli 20 wlis ganmavlobaSi ase
uWirs gauTviTcnobierebel rigiT
moqalaqeebs!
ar minda, axla imaze SevCerde
da visaubro, ramdenad `momgebiani-
a~ CvenTvis, anu Cveni qveynisaTvis
miSas maswavleblebis programuli
mentaluri revoluciebi, magram
faqtia _ Cven, zustad mentalite-
tis Secvlas gvavaldebuleben
msoflio mamebi da ramdenad gauZ-
lebs am wnexs qarTveloba _ dro
gviCvenebs!
amis dasturad SeiZleba moviy-
vano is gauTavebeli eqsperimentebi
(romelTac ratomRac reformebi
daarqves), romlebic dRiTidRe
`ixveweba~ da romlebic Cven sam-
Soblos, aseve dRiTidRe Zalian
Zvirad ujdeba!
eduard SevardnaZem da Semdgom
misma sayvarelma Segirdma _ saakaS-
vilma (rasakvirvelia Sesabamisad
gawvrTnil gundTan erTad), `de-
mokratiis saxeliT~, amerikidan,
anu amerikuli demokratiidan imde-
ni mankierebani gadmoTeses CvenTan,
rom rac ar unda vmargloT, rac
ar unda vebrZoloT da erovnuli
Sxam-qimikatebi vayaroT, kidev did-
xans ver movereviT!
amas garda, Cndeba logikuri
kiTxva _
asakiT saSualo Tao-ba, romelic ase Tu iseerovnul principebzedgas, mudmivad xom aricocxlebs? rasakvirve-lia _ ara! hoda, sworedaq aris yvelaze rTuladsaqme da Tu imasac gaviT-valiswinebT, saakaSvilida misi gundi, rogorididi ZalisxmeviT eqaCe-ba Cvens axalgazrdebskosmopolitizmis Waob-Si _ rebusis pirveli na-wili, amoxsnilad undaCavTvaloT da davaskv-naT, rom _ saakaSvili, ma-vanma xelisuflebaSisworedac, _ `rom qarT-veli axalgazrdebis, anusaqarTvelos momavaligonis gadasajiSebladmoiyvana, raTa _ axali`jiSisTvis~ ucxo iyos`mamuli, ena, sarwmunoe-ba~,
erovnuli faseulobebi, seqsua-
luri orientaciis tradiciuli
dogmebi da am yvelafridan gamom-
dinare ki, iqces im `adamianad~,
romlisTvisac sakuTari samSoblo,
mxolod geografiuli erTeuli iq-
neba da ara is adgili, romlisTvi-
sac `viRac~ winaparma sisxli daR-
vara! anu, `saakaSvilebis~ gaTvle-
biT, momavali Taobis qarTvelebi
ki ara _ msoflio moqalaqeebi un-
da ewodos? cnobilia, rom erovnu-
lad moazrovne Taoba, jer Sevard-
naZem da Semdgom saakaSvilma _
nel-nela, magram zustad gawerili
gegmis mixedviT, perioduli, xe-
lovnuri konfliqtebis meSveobiT
miwis qveS saguldagulod datkep-
nes da dRes rom CvenSi, Cveni sam-
SoblosaTvis am urTules dReebSi,
aseTi adamianebis katastrofuli
deficitia _ swored maTi, anu `ba-
toni~ eduardis da `batoni~ mixe-
ilis udidesi garjis Sedegia!
da, mainc _ ratom SeaCeres Ta-
vianTi maxvili mzera, `mavanT~ main-
cdamainc mixeil saakas Svilze?
riT iyo igi gamorCeuli im adami-
anebisgan, visac agreTve wlobiT
wvrTnidnen da vis karierul aRmas-
vlazec aseve TavgamodebiT zrunav-
dnen mavanni?~
faqti jiutia _ saakaSvili ni-
Wieri, zedmetad komunikabeluri,
Warbad familaruli da, rac mTava-
ria, boRmiT, kompleqsebiT da oja-
xuri Cekisturi tradiciebiT nawr-
Tobi pirovneba iyo! _ anu, am er-
TobliobaTa kompleqtSi _ miSas
badali ar hyavda, eTamaSa sule-
lis, veragis da amavdroulad
`xalxis rCeulis~ roli!
gulaxdilad rom giTxraT _
ar mgonia `iq~, Cveni qveynis gareT,
ase zedmiwevniT zustad Tu icod-
nen Cveni erovnuli midrekilebani
da dafarul-SeniRbuli zne, magram
rogorc aRmoCnda, mikroskopulad
Seswavlilebi vyofilvarT da ra
gasakviria, am yovelives `gasafur-
Cqnad~ iseTi adamiani rom mogviyva-
nes mebaRed, romelsac praqtika me-
zobel qveyanaSi rom hqondaT gav-
lili da axla okeanisgaRma `wal-
kotSic~ waiyvanes da iq gaamdidre-
bines codna?
Tu saakaSvilis Tanaklaselebs
daejerebaT _ miSa niWieri, magram,
amavdroulad niWierad veragi bavS-
vi yofila da amitomac, safexbur-
To moedanze, ar uSvebdnen! misi ad-
gili `SviStokiT~ xelSi, xeze,
anu maRla yofila da msajobac
Turme Zalian moswonda! agreTve Za-
lian moswonda iZulebiTi simaR-
lis, anu xis TiTqmis yoveldRiu-
ri dapyroba da aha _ gangebas, Tu
eSmas Tavgamodebam, igi wlebis gan-
mavlobaSi Cveni qveynis mTavar msa-
jadac aqcia! oRond, mikerZoebul,
borot, nayid msajad da amitomacaa
`penaltebis~ uwyveti seria ase
rom ar wydeba Cveni qveynis kareb-
Si!
yrma, ymawvili da Tineijeri sa-
akaSvili, (imitom, rom biologiur-
ma mamam, adreul asakSi miatova) _
biZis, `kgb~-s TanamSromlis da ase-
ve `kgb~-sadmi usazRvro siyvaru-
liT gamsWvaluli babuis yuradRe-
bis da mzrunvelobis qveS izrde-
boda! Tu ram, sikeTe hqondaT gam-
zrdel da marCenal uaxloes naTe-
savebs, yvelaferi patara miSiko-
saTvis undodaT da metic, rodesac
is ukrainaSi, samxedro savaldebu-
lo samsaxurSi gaamwesa sabWoTa
komisariatma, maSinac ki, privile-
girebul `kgb~-s batalionSi amsa-
xures biZa-babuam da mTeli is
`sibrZne~ da siborote, erTbaSad
Seasisxlxorcebines ymawvil ja-
riskacs, rac alasania-saakaSvilis
patara ojaxebSi ase aklda
`bavSvs!~ dameTanxmeT, erTi Sexed-
viT, Zalian damTrgunvelia mudmivi
kontrolisa da mudmivi meTvalyu-
reobis qveS cxovrobda, magram ro-
ca mizani `diadi da naTelia~, un-
da aitano Tu WeSmariti Cekisti
xar, da unda aitano sicocxlis
bolomde! amboben, miSa bavSvobidan-
ve daumorCilebeli da Sinaganad
meamboxe tipi iyoo _ Turme peri-
odulad `nadzor~ naTesavebs xeli-
dan usxlteboda da iqiT miiCqaro-
da, rasac yvelaze Zalian ukrZa-
lavdnen, anu porno-filmebis reJi-
sorobis da sapirispiro sqesisadmi
dauokebul, avadmyofur swrafvas!
dRes miuxedavad imisa, rom qveynis
pirveli piria, `miSaSi~ perioduli
intervalebiT, aRniSnuli akrZal-
vebi, vulkaniviT amoxeTqavs xolme
da misi `Caqroba~ xan dedas da xa-
nac biZas, da-Zma, giuli
da Temur alasaniebs
uwindeli TavgamodebiT
uwevT! marTalia, miSas
daokebaSi alasaniebi uk-
ve dRes, martoni ar ari-
an, magram aba daakvirdiT
vis winaaRmdeg mebrZo-
lad Camoayalibes igi
maT, visi kontrolic
ojaxis garda adreuli
asakidan hqonda dawesebu-
li?! aSkaraa, rom saakaS-
vilis fsiqo-tipi, wle-
bis ganmavlobaSi diqta-
tisken mimarTes, radgan
mudmivad momwyvdeuli,
damcirebuli da daTrgu-
nuli hyavdaT, magram,
roca dRes amgvarad `naw-
rTobi~ miSa Tavadvea Zalaufleba
_ ra gasakviria, rom axla sxvaze
Zaladobdes?
bolSevikur-Cekistu-ri mrwamsiT aRzrdilimiSiko, rogor, fiqrobT,Zalauflebas, anda, saku-Tar monapovars ase mar-tivad Seeleva da sikvdi-lamde madlieri mainc ar
iqneba im budisa, romel-Sic marTalia ZaliT Cas-ves, magram Semdeg moewo-na da swored im budidandaiwyo frena?
frena ki upirvele-sad, jer Cekistma naTesa-vebma aswavles, xolo uf-ro `maRla safrenad~ is`arwivebi~ waeSvelnen,romlebic ager ukve me-3saukune daiwyo, kavkasi-onis maRal mwvervaleb-ze budoben da arafris-didebiT ar undaT iqidangafrena! metic, niskar-talesilebi drodadroCveni leSiTac ikvebebianda axali msxverplis mo-lodinSi, Tvalebs boro-tad gvibrialeben! 2003wlis 23 noemberi, amgva-ri `arwivebis~ masiuriganayofierebis da bar-tyobis dRed SeiZleba Ca-iTvalos, radgan `kgb~,dRes ki `efesbe~-d wode-buli budidan, xmauriTCamogvigdes is `marTve~,romelsac `dasavluri
mixvra-moxvra~ ki hqonda,magram javSanJiletisqveS _ cxeli, bolSeviku-ri guli uZgerda!
anu `efesbem~ mTeli es `erTi
vardis revolucia~ Tavad dagegma
da axalgazrda `arwivs~ e.i. miSas,
rame rom ar stkenoda, Tavisi saga-
reo saqmeTa ministri, igor ivano-
vic saswrafod daadevna TbilisSi!
niSandoblivia is, rom swored ru-
seTis sagareo uwyeba akontroleb-
da saqarTveloSi noembris `revo-
luciur~ vnebaTaRelvebs da swo-
red ruseTis sagareo uwyebis mxri-
dan iyo mxardaWerili, xelisuf-
lebaTa cvla! arada, es `umniSvne-
lo~ faqti _ araTu SevardnaZes,
aramed axalgazrda `nac. moZrao-
bas~ metic (qveynis saSinao saqmeSi
aseTi aSkara Careva) _ arc ameri-
kis administracias da arc maSin-
del amerikis elCs saqarTveloSi
jon tefts _ ar gauprotestebiaT!
rac imaze mianiSnebda, rom ruseT-
amerika, saqarTvelos sakiTxSi im-
TaviTve urTierTSeTanxmebiT moqme-
debdnen da regionSi iseve rogorc
adre `mefisnacvlis~ Secvla ax-
liT, ruseTis prerogativad unda
darCeniliyo! garigebis Sedegi iyo
saakaSvilis `amerikuli demokrati-
is~ mantiiT Semosvac misi Zlevamo-
silebis ekonomiurad ganmtkicebac
da imitom, rom, yvelaferi maRal-
konspiraciul doneze yofiliyo _
miSam, sul male rusebs da ruse-
Tis xelisuflebas, gineba dauwyo!
arada, swored am ginebis miRma mim-
dinareobda saqarTvelos damouki-
deblobisaTvis aucilebeli, sasi-
cocxlod mniSvnelovani obieqte-
bis, ruseTis saxelmwifosaTvis ga-
dacema da es keTdeboda maSinac ki,
roca 2008 wlis 31 dekembers ara-
Tu axali damTavrebuli iyo `omi
ruseTTan~, aramed maSin, roca mTe-
li saqarTvelo axali wlis Sesax-
vedrad emzadeboda, miuxedavad
afxazeT-samaCablos dakargvisa! anu,
miSa saakaSvili, miuxedavad imisa,
rom ruseTis saxelmwifos `oku-
pants~ eZaxis, SuaRamisas, axali
wlis Rames, uCumrad asxvisebda
`engurhess~ _ rusul ̀ raoesze~ da
dRisiT _ mzisiT, 2008-mde da
2008-is Semdegac, rom ase iqceva,
ra logikiT gamodis `amerikis
agenti~, rogoradac mas xSirad
warmoaCenen xolme?
araerTxel damiweria da axlac
vambob _ 2008 wlis 8 agvistos,
miSam cxinvalis mimarTulebiTac
ki, ruseTis interesebis gaTvalis-
winebiT gaisrola pirveli Wurvi,
riTac viTom dauZlurebul, `daC-
morebul~ ruseTs, axali revanSis
didi Sansi gauCina! swored, 2008
wlis agvistos Semdeg dadga ruse-
Tis saxelmwifo yalyze da dRes,
rogorc evropas, ise amerikas ara-
Tu partnioris, aramed msoflios
`axali batonis~ poziciac preten-
ziebiT esaubreba! marTalia, ameri-
kelebma ki gaafrTxiles saakaSvi-
li, provokaciaze ar wamogagon da
omi Sen ar daiwyoo, magram ra ico-
da an kondoliza raisma, anda
jorj buSma, rom miSa swored maT
wasvlas eloda da xel-fexic, swo-
red maTi wasvlis Semdeg exsnebo-
da?
rac Seexeba miSas gor-Si miwaze kotrials daSeSinebul bRavils, esiqidan momdinareobda,rom `iq~, dawerili sce-naris finali, marione-tebma arasodes ar icianda `Cveni~ mxedarTmTav-ris SiSic amiT iyo ga-mowveuli _ ariqa gamo-miyenes da axla mklave-no!
saakaSvili rom demokrati ki
ara, pirwavardnili diqtatori
bolSevikia iqidanac gamoCnda, rom
xelisuflebaSi mosvlisTanave le-
wa da lewa eklesiebi! musri gaav-
lo damoukidebel televizia-gaze-
Tebs! vinc akritikebda, an qveynidan
gaaZeva, anac mudmivi sasufeveli
daumkvidra! xolo, vinc darCa _
siRaribis zRvars qvemoT miuCina
adgili da SimSiliT sikvdilisT-
vis hyavs ganwiruli!
`miSa ormagi agentia, amerikis
da ruseTis~ _ xSirad gaigonebT
aseT gulubryvilo mosazrebasac!
arada, aseTi lustrirebuli orma-
gi agentoba, kacobriobis istorias
ar axsovs da raRa saakaSvilis Sem-
TxvevaSi daiSveboda gamonaklisi?
axla rebusis im nawils mivadeqiT,
saidanac finalamde gasvlas, anu
gamocanis gamocnobamde arcTu di-
di droa saWiro!
maS, ase! vin aris sinamdvileSi
saakaSvili da romeli batonis msa-
xuris igi, amerikis Tu ruseTis?
marTalia, miSas amerikuli `fa-
nebi~ xan TbilisSi da xanac iq, Ta-
vianT samSobloSi, fiandazad egebi-
an, pirSi Sescicineben da nebismier
arCevnebSi koWs ugoreben mixail
nikolaeviCs, magram aba, daakvirdiT
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ddeeppuuttaatteebbss!!))..
22)) iimmiittoomm,, rroomm ssttrraatteeggiiuullii
oobbiieeqqtteebbiiss uuddiiddeessii uummrraavvlleessoobbaa
aarraa aammeerriikkeelleebbss,, aarraammeedd rruusseeTTiiss
politikuri rebusi _ `vin aris saakaSvili?~ _ amoxsnilia!
13saerTo gazeTi#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
qveyanaSi mimdinare da mosalodnel
politikur procesebTan dakavSirebiT
,,saerTo gazeTs” arCevnebisa da po-
litteqnologiebis kvlevis centris
xelmZRvaneli kaxa kaxiSvili esaub-ra.
_ batono kaxa, faqtobrivad, dRe
ise ar gadis, rom kontrolis palatam
,,qarTul ocnebas”, an fizikur pirs
biZina ivaniSvils soliduri jarimebi
ar daakisros. riT xsniT am faqts?
_ mogexsenebaT, rodesac politi-
kuri partiebis Sesaxeb parlamentSi
kanonproeqti ixileboda, maSinac
vacxadebdi, rom aRniSnuli kanonproeq-
ti miznad isaxavda ara romelime kon-
kretuli sferos regulirebas,
aramed iseTi berketis xelSi aRe-
bas, romlis saSualebiTac moxde-
boda, rogorc politikuri subieq-
tebis, aseve amomrCevlis nebis kon-
troli da faqtia, es varaudi ax-
da. finansuri monitoringis samsa-
xuris mxridan iseTi soliduri
jarimebi vixileT, romlis analo-
gi msoflioSi ar arsebobs. msof-
lio istoriaSi yvelaze maRali
jarima erTi milioni dolari aSS-
Si fizikuri piris mimarT iyo ga-
mowerili. kontrolis palatis mi-
er ivaniSvilisTvis dakisrebuli
148 milioni, xolo Semdeg ganaxev-
rebuli jarima 75 milionamde emsa-
xureboda mxolod da mxolod
imas, rom biZina ivaniSvils Tavisi
gadawyvetileba politikaSi Semos-
vlis Sesaxeb enana, xolo, meores
mxriv, es ivaniSvilis gakotrebis
mcdeloba iyo. mas Semdeg, rac aR-
srulebis erovnulma biurom saqar-
TveloSi biZina ivaniSvilis saxel-
ze gaformebuli qoneba ver moiZia,
daayadaRes is qoneba, rac ivaniSvilis
Svilis saxelze iyo gaformebuli da
am formiT daayadaRes ,,qarTu“ bankis
aqtivebi. kontrolis palatis qmedebe-
bi mxolod da mxolod politikur an-
gariSsworebas emsaxureba da ara imas,
rom pirma kontkretuli regulacia
daarRvia.
_ ivaniSvilis mxridan ramdenad
swori gadawyvetilebaa jarimis gadax-
daze uaris Tqma?
_ biZina ivaniSvilma dakisrebuli
jarimis gadaxdaze uari Tqva, imitom,
rom mas saqarTveloSi qoneba ar hqon-
da, romlis dayadaRebasac aRsrulebis
biuro moaxdenda. amasTan, Tavisi ga-
dawyvtilebiT, ivaniSvlma xelisufle-
bas ubiZga, im qveynebSi, sadac qonebas
flobs misi qonebis dayadaRebis Sesa-
xeb xelisuflebas werili gaegzavna,
rac niSnavda imas, rom biZina ivaniS-
vils procesebis gadatana saerTaSori-
so sasamarTloSi surda. amiT ivaniSvi-
li saerTaSoriso asparezze gaitanda
araadekvaturi qarTuli sasamarTlos
araadekavatur gadawyvetilebas, rac
qarTuli xelisuflebisaTvis momgebia-
ni namdvilad ar iqneboda. Sesabamisad,
xelisuflebam daayadaRa biZina ivaniS-
vilis Svilis qoneba, radgan maTTvis
sul erTia, visi qoneba iqneba dayada-
Rebuli-uta ivaniSvilis, Tu Tavad iva-
niSvilis. mTavaria, biZina ivaniSvilsa
da mis ojaxs problemebi Seuqmnan.
Tumca arc imas gamovricxav, rom aRs-
rulebis erovnuli biuro ivaniSvilis
rezidenciaSi mivides da iq daiwyon
qonebis aRwera.
mas Semdeg, rac xelisufleba sabo-
lood darwmunda, ivaniSvili jarimis
gadaxdas ar apirebda, koaliciaSi Se-
mavali politikuri partiebi daajari-
ma da amiT ivaniSvili arCevanis winaSe
daayena: Tu ar gadaixdian jarimas, par-
tiebis qonebas daayadaReben da amiT
partiebs politikur aqtivobas Se-
uzRudaven. xelisufleba am nabijebiT
cdilobs ivaniSvils arCevnebze moge-
bis ganwyoba daukargos.
_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom nervebis
omi midis?
_ arsebuli situaciis gaTvaliswi-
nebiT, nervebis omi namdvilad midis.
xelisufleba TiToeuli gadawyvetile-
biT cdilobs ivaniSvils daumtkicon,
rom is Zalian magrad Secda, roca po-
litikaSi Semosvlis gadawyvetileba
miiRo da gabeda gamarjvebasa da premi-
erobaze saubari.
_ rogor fiqrobT, kontrolis pa-
latis qmedebebi Seasustebs ,,qarTul
ocnebas”?
_ SesustebiT aucileblad Seasus-
tebs da ara mxolod finansurad, sa-
marTlianad Tu arasamarTlianad, qone-
bas, rodesac yadaRa adevs, faqtobri-
vad, aseT SemTxvevaSi, verc erT qmede-
bas ver ganaxorcieleb, Tundac iseTs,
romelic politikur cxovrebas ar
ukavSirdeba. Sesabamisad, qonebis daya-
daRebiT diskomforti Seeqmneba, ro-
gorc ivaniSvils, aseve koaliciaSi Se-
maval subieqtebsac.
Tavis droze, rodesac ,,politiku-
ri partiebis Sesaxeb” kanonproeqti
ixileboda da enjeoebi vaprotes-
tebdiT kanonSi Sesatan cvlilebebs da
politikur subieqtebsac mouwodeb-
diT, CarTuliyvnen cvlilebebis gan-
xilvaSi. maTi mxridan vismendiT mxo-
lod imas, rom maTTvis mniSvneloba
ara hqonda, mmarTveli gundi ra cvli-
lebebs ganaxorcielebda, radgan opo-
zicia mainc Tavis saqmes gaakeTebda. ga-
moCnda, rom yvelaferi ise araa, ro-
gorc opozicias warmoedgina. amitom
jobda opocizias Tavis droze gaepro-
testebina kanonproeqtSi Sesatani
cvlilebebi.
_ protests eqneboda Sedegi, rad-
gan xelisufleba, saboloo jamSi, ake-
Tebs imas, rac surs?
_ opozicia, rodesac xelisufle-
bas Sans aZlevs, sruliad araadekvatu-
ri cvlilebebi kanonSi asaxon da ama-
ze umciresobis warmomadgenlebi saer-
Tod ar reagireben, xmas ar iReben da
dadgenilad Tvlian xelisuflebis
cvlilebebs, axla ukmayofilebaze sau-
bari gviania. Tavis droze, rom gaepro-
testebinaT ,,nacionaluri moZraobis”
mier miRebuli cvlilebebi, SesaZloa,
am katastrofamde ar mivsuliyaviT.
_ politologebisgan da eqsperte-
bisgan xSirad vismenT, rom aSS xeli-
suflebas, arCevnebis gayalbebis SemTx-
vevaSi, mxars aRar dauWers da rom ame-
rikam Secvala damokidebuleba saakaS-
vilis misamarTiT da sxva. saxelmwifo
mdivnis saqarTveloSi viziti gansxva-
vebul realobaze metyvelebs.
hilari klintonma saqarTveloSi
stumrobisas xelisuflebis mi-
marT mxardaWera Riad gamoxata.
ras niSnavs aseTi damokidebuleba?
_ velodi, rom saqarTveloSi
hilari klintonisa da ukve Semdeg
jon basis preskonferencia saqar-
TveloSi dagegmil arCvnebTan da-
kavSirebiT ufro kritkuli iqne-
boda, Tumca es ase ar iyo. klin-
tonma saqarTveloSi vizitisas ga-
nacxada, rom saqarTvelo nomer
pirveli reformatoria, xolo me-
ore mxriv, Tqva, rom jer kidev
seriozuli problemebi sasamarT-
losa da mediis Tavisuflebis
kuTxiT arsebobs. es ori gancxade-
ba erTmaneTTan Seusabamoa. saqarT-
veloSi mimdinare procesebs Tu
daakvirdebiT, saxelmwifo mdivnis
vizitis Semdeg xelisuflebam uf-
ro gaaqtiura Tavisi berketebi da
represiuli manqana.
_ ratom, ra aris mizezi?
_ xelisuflebam klintonis
Seqeba pirveli reformatoris Sesaxeb
Taviseburad miiRo da CaTvales, rom
aSS-is mxridan maTi politika mowone-
bulia. Tuki wlis bolomde ,,masT qe-
ri” mainc ar imuSavebs, arCevnebis Se-
degebis Sejamebamde mainc ganxorciel-
des, radgan mosaxleobisTvis mniSvne-
lovania arCevnebis Sedegebis Sejameba.
cxadia, rom aSS-is xelisuflebis in-
teresSi ar Sedis xelisuflebis erT
dReSi cvlileba, piriqiT, maT intere-
sebSia xelisuflebis grZelvadiani Se-
cvlis perespeqtiva.
vfiqrob, rom aSS-is gegmebSi Sedis
parlamentSi opozicia ,,mravalferova-
ni” iyos, ris Semdegac sakanonmdeblo
organoSi aseTi monoliTiuri situa-
cia aRar iqneba. aSS-isTvis misaRebia
saparlamento umciresobis 20-30-kaci-
ani jgufi, rac niSnavs imas, sabolo-
od aWrili parlamenti gveyoleba.
rac xelisuflebam, ,,global tv”-
is antenebis dayadaRebiT gaakeTa, bu-
nebrivia, amas, xalxis mxridan, Zalian
cudi reagireba mohyveboda da aRniS-
nuli faqti saerTaSorso Tu adgio-
lobriv sadamkvirveblo misiis daskvna-
Si aucileblad moxvdeboda. amitom am
iniciativiT erTgvarad TavianTi xisti
moqmedebis dabalansebas Seecadnen.
miranda nabaxteveli
kaxa kaxiSvili: kaxa kaxiSvili: kontrolis palatis mier
dakisrebuli jarimebi
mxolod da mxolod politikur
angariSworebas emsaxureba
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ddaa ZZaalloovvaannii ssttrruuqqttuurreebbiiss aakkoommppaanniimmeennttiiTT..
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sseeTTSSii!!
da, ra gamodis?
miSas `demokratobana~, `amerikancuzeloba~
da `evropeloba~ tyuilad uTamaSia, Tuki sazo-
gadoebas ver daajera maTi sikeTe? rogorc ga-
modis, faqtebic RaRadeben tyuilad!
da, tyuilad imitom, rom miSas `dasavluri
mentaloba~ ZirSive iseTive blefi iyo, rogorc
misi `demokratiis Suquroba!~
miSa yvela logikiT da yvela moq-medebiT ruseTis erTguli qveSevr-domia! xolo, evropa da amerika imi-tom elaqucebian ase, rom ician visirCeulia igi! xvalac mielaqucebian,zegac da kidev ramdenime weli, Tu,ra Tqma unda, ruseTma saqarTvelo-Si xelisuflebis Secvla Tavad armoindoma da axla, amas arCevnebiTmoiwadinebs Tu isev `revoluciiT~,ra gansxvavebaa?
rogorc erTi `qila erbo~, Cvens Crdiloel
mezobels CvenTvis yovelTvis moeZebneba an `ise-
Ti~, an `aseTi~ scenari da rogorc yovelTvis
xdeboda _ erT Tavis `kacs~ yovelTvis dagvis-
vams qveynis saTaveSi!
ase iyo adrec, asea axlac da ase iqneba Sem-
degSic, anu iqamde, vidre ruseTis `iuJni rube-
Ji~ da `koridor vostoka~ gvqvia! ase iqneba
usasrulod, vidre `kgb~-s daverbovkebul-gazu-
luqebuli maxinji mtaceblebis asparezia saqar-
Tvelo da vidre axal daviTs, ilias da Tamars
ar Sobs ufali CvenSi!
Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo, axla mainc mixvdiT, si-
namdvileSi vin aris miSa? e.i. rebusi amoxsnilia,
magram `miSebi~ arian Sors da gafrTxildiT!
irine gogosaSvili
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uuSSiiSSrrooeebbiiss mmiinniissttrrii,, aaww uukkvvee pprreemmiieerr-mmiinniissttrrii
__ rruusseeTTiiss `̀ooccnneebbaa~~ ddaa ssaassuurrvveellii ppaarrttnniioorrii!!
14 saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
2008 wlis 8 agvisto...
dilaadrian, Cem TanamSromel
Jorika cixelaSvilTan erTad
cxinvalisken gavqandiT! gzaze sam-
xedro teqnika ar SeminiSnavs,
rac imis mauwyebeli iyo, rom Cve-
ni jari cxinvalis misadgomebTan
ufro adre hyavdaT mobilizebu-
li! (?) erTaderTi, rac aSkarad
xiluli iyo, is, rom _ yviTeli
avtobusebiT zogi formiani da
zogic uformo rezervistebiT
mTeli goris trasa iyo gadaWedi-
li da maSin vTqvi kidec, am gamo-
ucdel bavSvebsac daaxocinebs sa-
akaSvili rusebs, xolo Semdeg im
jars, romelic ukve ibrZvis, al-
baT, buldozerebiT amoTxril mi-
waSi Cayris-Tqo! ise yvelaferi
kargi agixda, mkiTxvelo, rogorc
Cemi es sityvebi zedmiwevniT zus-
tad axda...
trasidan CrdiloeTiT gada-
vuxvieT...
me da Jorika, sof. meRvriki-
sis xidamde migviSves, imis iqiT
gzis gagrZelebis saSualeba ru-
sebma ar mogvces, romlebic mTel
perimetrs akontrolebdnen, mag-
ram am xidze yofnis dros, imde-
ni ram Sevityve ramdenime saaTis
win dawyebul omze, rom erTi
wigni daiwereba.
xidze, jipiT, Tavdacvis sami-
nistros maSindeli pres-samsaxu-
ris ufrosi, nana inwkirveli, Se-
mogrialda da Tavisi Jurnalis-
tebi, anu `rusTavi-2~, `imedi~, da
kidev ramdenime gverdze gaiyvana,
oRond maxsovs, Zalian daZabuli
saxe hqonda, Tanac Cqarobda. `da-
vai CajeqiT yvela manqanebSi da
gamomyeviT, rokis gvirabidan axla
tankebi gamodis da aqeT moemarTe-
bian, Cqara, Cqara~, _ eubneboda
maT, magram CemTvis, anu maTTvis
arasaimedo JurnalistisTvis ara-
feri uTqvams safrTxis Sesaxeb!
xidi egreve dacarielda da mxo-
lod I arxis pirdapiri CarTvebis
jgufi da me videqiT masze! Zveli
TanamSromlebi mexvewnen _ wamodi
CvenTan erTad, axla aq `boini~ iq-
nebao, magram ar gavyevi, xolo `a-
lieli~ Jorika yvelaze adre imi-
tom wavida, rom samxedro komisa-
riatidan daurekes _ saswrafod
rezervSi gamocxaddio, Torem da-
patimrebas ver gadaurCebio!
videqi xidze marto... ufro
sworad me, erTi azerbaijaneli
kaci, romlis Zmac cxinvalis ba-
zarSi daWrili egdo da is rusi
oficeri, romelic Cveni jaris
manqanebis cxinvalisken mimosvla-
sac `awesrigebda~ da aqeT, ukve
gorisken, dazianebuli mZime jav-
Santeqnikis mimosvlasac! (?) ra-
Racam daiWeqa da namsxvrevebic
dacvivda axlomaxlo... kidev iWe-
qa da mivxvdi, male sahaero da-
bombvac daiwyeboda, oRondac iqam-
de samxedro bortiani manqanebis
siuxve gadaviRe, romelzec mkvda-
ri, mkvdar-cocxali da Zalian ga-
Rizianebuli Cveni jariskacebi iy-
vnen! msubuqi, samxedro manqanebic
davafiqsire, romlebSic micvale-
buli jariskacebis cxedrebi esve-
na, magram yvelaze meti, saswrafo
daxmarebis manqanebi iyvnen, rom-
lebic grZeli sirenebiT, xidis
aqeT hospitlisken Zalian swra-
fad gadaadgildebodnen!
`amowyda, saakaSvilo, Seni
gamCeni, Seni kubo daidgas deda-
Senma, Se giJo! kokoiTma Tavisi
xalxi ori kviriT adre gaiyvana,
Sen ratom ar gagvafrTxile, ha?~
_ kiviliT morboda erTi xanSiSe-
suli qali, romelic Zvel sabav-
Svo etlze saswrafod dalage-
bul sakuTar avladidebas moaT-
revda da suli Zlivs mohqonda...
`es ra gviyo, xalxo, rogor dag-
vaqcia da mogvatyua, eg aris ama-
Ti mTavroba, sakuTari xalxi da-
bomba? _ gaiZaxoda aseve xanSiSe-
suli kaci da Tan aqeT-iqiT iyu-
reboda, xom aravin mismens, amas
rom vambobo?
`ai, ai, es xelebi unda gagvix-
mos RmerTma, saakaSvils rom mi-
veciT xma~, _ tiriliT iZaxda er-
Ti qali.
`exla Sena, es bombebi,bombebi ggonia? eg Rmer-Tis gamogzavnili cecx-lia CvenTvis, Cvens da-sasjelad, imitom rommTelma cxinvalelmaqarTvelebma ager imsoflebma da Cvenca, da-vijereT mag moRalati-
sa, RmerTma dagvsajaSvilo, RmerTma da Rir-sebic varT. ai, eg arissimarTle Tu ginda!~,
_ cremlCamdgari boRmiT
miTxra erTma kacma da roca am
sityvebs, diqtofonze viwerdi,
isic daamata _ maisSi, arCevnebis
win, sofel-sofel daeTreodnen
da saidumlod gveubnebodnen qar-
Tvelebsa: `male cxinvals aviRebT
da xmas Cven Tu ar mogvcemT, opo-
zicia ruseTs Caabarebs aqaurobas
da mere naxeT, rac mogivaTo!~
`vai, i varZelaSvili Cemi xeliT
unda davaxrCo! veubnebodiT, bi-
Wooo, raRac Tavisi xalxi waiy-
vana kokoiTma, oms xom ar iwyebs,
Cvenc gavalT aqedan, bavSvi gvyavs,
qalebi gvyavs da movaridebT aqau-
robas-Tqo! arao, ras ambobTo, ma-
gas ise CavaklavT, omic ar das-
Wirdebao, saxl-kari ar miato-
voT, magraT dadeqiT, Cveni imedi
gqondeTo! exla sada gdia, eg ZaR-
lis gaCenili, aq aris Tu Tbilis-
Si gaiqca ukve?~ _ me mekiTxebo-
da axalgazrda kaci da xeliT
iqiT mimaniSnebda, saidanac mwkri-
vad gamorbodnen qarTvelebi. es
ubedureba iseTi Semzaravi sanaxa-
vi iyo, vinatre, axla videokamera
mqondes aq da mere naxavda `nac.
moZraoba~, rogor daicva da ro-
gor moatyua qarTvelebi, kidev
erTxel-Tqo. `wadi, gogo, is ube-
duri daxocilebic gadaiRe mag
fotoaparatiT, Cems boselTan
rom yrian afeTqebulebi! zogs Ta-
vi aRara aqvs, zogs xeli, ubedu-
ri magaTi dedebiii~, _ momakivla
erTma qalma. am dros ki xidze,
erTi meoris miyolebiT moaTrevd-
nen Cvens afeTqebul tankebs, spe-
cialuri teqnikiT da mivxvdi,
rom saqme Zalian cudad iyo! `ro-
iteris~ gadamRebi jgufis dajav-
Snuli manqana gaCerda... rusi ofi-
ceri iqiT, cxinvalisken ar uSveb-
da maT... mainc wavidnen Jurnalis-
tebi! wavidnen da aRarc dabrune-
bulan... ramdenime dReSi Sevity-
veT, rom daiRupnen!
ar vici, vin da rodis moica-
la CemTvis, magram Zalian male
Cems garSemo gaprialebuli, suf-
Ta TeTri jipebis kolona gaCer-
da da iqidan gamosulebma aseve
gaprialebulma samxedroebma TiT-
qmis alyaSi momaqcies. `ratom
xarT aq? ra gadaiReT? romeli
soflidan gamoqceulebs esaubre-
bodiT? akreditacia gaqvT, aq rom
CamobrZanebulxarT? gvaCveneT fi-
ri, mogvasmenineT Canawerebi. ro-
meli gazeTidan xarT, ra gqviaT,
ra gvari xarT da a.S. _ damayares
kiTxvebi. am dros, ukve Sebinde-
bisken midioda buneba da caSi mo-
ieriSe bombdamSenis xmac gaisma.
Camovarda erTi, meore, mesame
Wurvi. is `tipebi~ jipebSi Caxt-
nen da qarTveli Jurnalisti qa-
li, maTac mimatoves!
8 agvisto. gori RamiT... gor-
Si, TiTqmis yvela soflidan Tu
patara raionuli centridan ga-
moqceuli xalxi iyo Tavmoyrili.
stalinis Zeglis gaswvriv yviTe-
li avtobusebi Camwkrivebuli iyv-
nen. iyo yvirili, gineba, Cxubi da
ayal-mayali. moedanTan, `Ti bi
si~-bankis Senobis gaswvriv, xal-
xis xmamaRali laparaki da gineba
ismoda: `eg aris biWo Tqveni
sityva? axla ra vqnaT, saxli ara
gvaqvs da kari, sofelSi mkvdrebi
aqeT-iqeT yrian, isini mainc agek-
rifaT, aq rom dagdebulxarT da
kidev `gvprikazobT~, rogor unda
moviqceT?~ _ yviris erTi kaci.
axlos mivedi da vxedav _ xalxs,
goris r-nis maSindeli guberna-
tori lado varZelaSvili moum-
wyvdeviaT SuaSi da cemas upire-
ben. Cem gverdiT, radio `hereTis~
Jurnalists, gela mTivliSvilsac
movkari Tvali da isic davinaxe,
rogor iwerda is diqtofonze
yvelafers! mogvianebiT mTivliS-
vils diqtofoni varZelaSvilma
waarTva da sawyali gela me mex-
veweboda _ midi, Seneburad daur-
xie, diqtofoni damibrunoso!
`savse ojaxebi dagvatovebineT,
mTeli cxovrebis nawvalebi, Cus-
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na, exla Sen mipatroneb Tu Seni
saakaSvili? oxrad dagrCeT yve-
laferi, rogorc Cemi ojaxi aaox-
reT~, _ gahkioda erTi qali da
varZelaSvilisken miiwevda... bavS-
vebis tirili, kacebis gineba, qa-
lebis wyevla da moxucebis gode-
ba ismoda mxolod! iqve, Jurna-
listebisTvis sagangebod mowyobi-
li `media hausi~ mdebareobda.
avedi zeviT da Zalian mxiaruli
ganwyoba damxvda! ras zeimobT? _
vikiTxe me. `Cvenebma cxinvali
aiRes, male rusebs rokis gvirab-
Si Setenian da yvelaferi damTav-
rdeba~, _ mipasuxa `media hausSi~
yvelaze didma `Cinma~ _ giorgi
karbelaSvilma! magram, roca
vuTxari: `axla, ramdenime wuTis
win Camovedi meRvrikisidan, Cveni
jari, teqnika da oficroba ukan
ixevs-Tqo~ _ Semomitia da gamaf-
rTxila _ `eg sisulele meored
ar Tqva, vimarjvebT da modi ra,
Sens redaqciasac is gadaeci, ra-
sac me geubnebio!
mTeli Rame ar miZinia, davdi-
odi gorSi da gaubedurebuli,
quCaSi dayrili adamianebis in-
terviuebs viwerdi. Cavwere _ ro-
gor daecaT mZinareebs SuaRamisas
Tavze bombebi da es bombebi, ro-
meli mxridan modioda! Cavwere,
romeli soflebidan iyvnen, ramxe-
la iyo msxverpli, zarali da a.S.
gori-jvaris teritorias bombavd-
nen, xalxi panikaSia, jariskac-re-
zervistebi dabneulebi, daqceuli
qarTveloba quCaSi yria, magram eg
kidev araferi... saakaSvili, jaris
mxedarTmTavari, mTavarsardali
da `uSiSari viTarca uxorcoc~,
male, ramdenime saaTSi dawveba
goris quCaze, erT-erT quCaze
cxviriT miwaze mixoxavs, male Ca-
iCris halstuxs pirSi da `bi-bi-
si~-s Jurnalists, sul male mo-
uyveba _ rogor mougo omi ru-
sebs da rom rusebi, `saqarTvelo-
Si demokratiul winsvlas ver
SeaCereben!~.
oriod dReSi ki, rusTavelis
gamzirze, `gamarjvebas~ azeimebs
xalxs da Tqven rom icodeT _ am
`gamarjvebis~ bevrma irwmuna ki-
dec! vai, Cven patrons!
asobiT sajiSe qarTveli See-
wira am `gamarjvebas~, magram vis
gamarjvebas? saakaSvilis Tu
kremlis? orives, orives gamarj-
vebas da rogorc yovelTvis, am-
jeradac udanaSaulo adamianebis
xarjze!
axla, ratom gavixsene iciT,
es ambebi?
`qarTuli ocneba~rom sofel mereTSi Ca-vida da iq biZina ivaniS-vils, saakaSvilis qal-kac zonderebi rom dae-sivnen: `miSas venacvale-To!~ _ magitom. arc bi-Zinas advokati var daarc misi `ocnebis~, mag-ram jer erTi _ miSasratom enacvaleT, Tqvesaxl-kar afeTqebule-bo, sulSi CafurTxebu-lebo da `getoebSi~ Cam-wyvdeulebo? imitom,rom `magaria?~ imitom,rom rusuli TviTmfri-navis xmis gagonebazeTqveni goris miwa CiCq-na cxviriT? da imitom,rom asobiT biWi, bavSvi,qali da moxuci miwaSiCayara? imitom, rom am-deni invalidi, amdenidawiokebuli, usaxlka-ro da umuSevari adamia-nebiT aavso qveyana? imi-tom, rom 163 qarTulisofeli viRacas 2 dReSimisca? imitom, rom hal-stuxi stafilosaviTCaaxramuna? imitom, rom
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Tu marTlac danamdvilebiT iciT es ambavi, ras daatarebT
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lia muxaSavria: _ mere-Ti konfliqtis wina sofelia,
iq 90-iani wlebis Semdeg ga-
mudmebiT srolebia. mereTelebi
amboben, Rame srolis xma Tu
ar ismis, ver viZinebT, vki-
TxulobT, neta ra moxda,
ratom ar isvriano. anu es
xalxi mudmivad frontis
xazze cxovrobda. 2008
wlis 12 agvistos moxda
soflis okupacia, daaxloe-
biT naSuadRevs. am dros so-
felSi darCenili iyvnen mxo-
lod mamakacebi,daaxloebiT 7-8
agvistos Semdeg, rac intensi-
uri gaxda srolebi da afeTqe-
bebi, maT qalebi da bavSvebi
gaxiznes. Cveni jarebis Setevis
mimarTuleba mereTze ar iyo.
Tanac am dros sazogadoeba
pirdapir eTerSi uyurebda saa-
kaSvilis gamosvlebs, romelic
am dReebSi acxadebda, rom
cxinvals akontrolebs Cveni
Zalovnebi, soflebi aviReT,
javis mimarTulebiT mivdivarT
da a.S.
Tavad me am periodSi Tbi-
lisSi ar vimyofebodi, televi-
zors ar vuyurebdi da es in-
formacia vici Cemi klientebis
naambobidan. erT-erTi maTgani
miyveboda, rom igi televizor-
Si usmenda saakaSvils da am
dros dainaxa, rom mezobeli
sofeli cecxlSia gaxveuli.
mixvda, rom raRac ise ver
aris. warmoidgineT adamianis
mdgomareoba, romelic pirda-
pir eTerSi uyurebs Tavisi
qveynis umaRles mTavarsardals
da amave dros, xedavs rom me-
zobeli sofeli iwvis. darCeni-
lebma gaqceva gadawyvites. mag-
ram, samwuxarod, Sors ver wa-
vidnen. soflis bolos ukve Za-
lian bevri aRmoCnda tyveobaSi.
es perimetri ukve okupirebu-
li iyo da rusi „boevikebi“ da-
TareSobdnen teritoriaze.
sxvaTa Soris aCerebdnen manqa-
nebs, qalebs Zarcvavdnen da uS-
vebdnen, mamakacebs itovebdnen,
gansakuTrebiT axalgazrda asa-
kis mamakacebs da Semdeg es ma-
makacebi waasxes maT cxinvalSi
im cnobil Sinagan saqmeTa sami-
nistros SenobaSi. am xalxs
Soris iyvnen mereTis mkvidre-
bic.
yvelasTvis cnobili iyo,
rom am soflis gamgebeli, ub-
nis rwmunebuli Tu samxedro
pirebi ufro xSirad iyvnen
sakrebuloSi, vidre Cveuleb-
riv soflad xdeba xolme. maT-
Tan mosaxleobas yoveldRiuri
urTierToba hqonda, igebdnen
axal ambebs. im dRes aravis ga-
urTxilebia es xalxi. ufro
metic, rodesac maT dainaxes,
rom viTareba daiZaba, daiwyes
soflis Tavkacebis moZieba;
aRmoCnda, rom soflis ofici-
aluri pirebi yvela wasulia,
samuSao adgilebi mitovebulia
da adamianebi darCnen bedis
anabara. mereTis oficialurma
pirebma araTu daicves mosax-
leoba, informaciac ki ar mia-
wodes maT safrTxis Sesaxeb.
ufro metsac getyviT, sofel-
Si mcxovreb erT moxucTan sa-
Ramos mividnen samxedroebi da
sTxoves, mieca ufleba, mis
ezoSi daelagebinaT yuTebi,
romelic savse iyo tyvia-wam-
liT. am kacma, ra Tqma unda,
ufleba misca, mas uTxres,
rom diliT movidodnen da yve-
lafers waiRebdnen. meore di-
las ki movidnen rusebi da
osebi da xom warmogidgeniaT
am adamianis md-
gomareoba, rode-
sac mis saxlSi
aRmoCnda arsena-
li. is iyo sru-
liad ganwiruli.
magram, sabednie-
rod, am moxucma
adamianma gamoiCi-
na gamWriaxoba,
oclitriani ar-
yis bociT Seegeba
rusebs, gaumaspin-
Zlda da mxolod
aman ixsna igi aS-
kara daxvretisa-
gan.
ufro metic,
sofel mereTis
mcxovrebTa baReb-
sa da nakveTebSi,
romelic sofli-
dan moSorebulia, Cvenma Tav-
dacvis uwyebam datova aTze me-
ti samxedro manqana, romelic
savse iyo tyvia-wamliT. es man-
qanebi aRmoCnda sahaero Tavdas-
xmis legitimuri samizne, rad-
gan mters aqvs mowinaaRmdegis
samxedro TavdacviTi SeiaraRe-
bis ganadgurebis kanonieri uf-
leba. xom warmogidgeniaT am
manqanebis afeTqebis Semdeg ra
daemarTeboda im baRebs da sa-
soflo-sameurneo nakveTebs.
rodesac sami wlis Semdeg mo-
saxleobam gadawyvita im nakve-
Tebis xelaxla damuSaveba, aR-
moCnda rom es saxifaTo iyo,
bars SeiZleba kidev amohyolo-
da naRmis, Wurvebis namsxvrevi
da xelyumbarac ki.
es adamianebi dabrundnen
TavianT saxlebSi, okupirebu-
li teritoriis sasazRvro so-
felSi, maTi savargulebis na-
wili ki darCa okupirebul
teritoriaze da ver sargeb-
loben.
sazRvari, rogorc aseTi ar
arsebobs, es aris mxolod ze-
pirsityvierebisa da folklo-
ris doneze. mosaxleoba gafr-
Txilebulia, rom viRacis nak-
veTis bolos gadis sazRvari.
iq ar aris aranairi sademarka-
cio xazi, aranairi SemzRudavi
Robe da a.S. SeiZleba adamiani
pirutyvs gamoedevnos da
uneburad aRmoCndes
sazRvars iqiT. swored
ase xvdebian xolme tyve-
obaSi. es teritoriebi
aris absoluturad dauc-
veli. ufro metic, mereTi
mdebareobs zeganze, garSemo
Semortymulia gorakebiTa da
mTebiT, romelTac srulad
akontroleben, okupirebuli
aqvT osebs. rom ara am xalxis
warmoudgeneli gmiroba, osebs
sruliad Tavisuflad SeuZli-
aT am adamianebis saTiTaod amo-
xocva. iq soflebSi xandaxan
RamRamobiT Suqs ver anTeben,
radgan eSiniaT, ar gaxdnen sna-
iperis samizne. anu es aris ada-
mianTa yofa warmoudgeneli
safrTxis pirobebSi da aseT
viTrebaSi uceb, iq, raionidan
Cadis uamravi adamiani mxolod
imitom rom daxvdes ivaniSvil-
sa da alasanias da gaakeTos
politikuri xasiaTis gancxa-
deba; maSin, roca am adamianebs
ara aqvT wamali, ar hyavT eqi-
mi, arian ukidures gaWirvebaSi.
zamTarSi ar aqvT sawvavi, rad-
gan tyeSi ver midian SeSis mo-
saWrelad, radgan tye okupire-
buli teritoriaaa. ar aqvT
daxmareba. es aris Zalian mZime
pirobebi da aseT xalxs unda
Zalian didi yuradReba, Zalian
didi Tanadgoma.
posti aris gacilebiT
Sors im adgilidan, sadac Sex-
la-Semoxla moxda, vidre so-
felSi Sexval, daaxloebiT 3-
4 km-is dacilebiT. posti aris
gzaze. da Tqven am gzas gaiv-
liT Tu gaqvT nebarTva an wi-
naswar SeatyobinebT, Semdeg
iwyeba es soflebi, sadac arc
erTi samxedro ar WaWanebs. iq
rom jariskaci dadges, imas
ueWvelad gamoTofavs snaiperi.
es aris uadvilesi, radgan si-
maRleebze arian osebi da sru-
liad akontroleben am teri-
torias.
es xalxi aris mitovebuli
xelisuflebis mier da marTla
mikvirs, ra akavebs dRes osebs,
rom ar agrZeleben okupacias.
iyo SemTxvevebi gasul wels,
roca isini RamiT Semovidnen
sofelSi, orRobeSi daakaves
adamiani, awames, gadaasxes nav-
Ti, upirebdnen dawvas da Sem-
deg gadaifiqres. anu adamianebs
yoveldRiurad aqvT aseTi saf-
rTxeebi da isini gmirobis fa-
sad agrZeleben sakuTar miwaze
cxovrebas. metic, iq aris oja-
xi, romlis saxlic aRmoCnda
im soflis okupirebul teri-
toriaze da iZulebulia sko-
lis SenobaSi icxovros, magram
iqaurobas ar tovebs. xolo
Cveni mTavroba mas ar aZlevs
devnilis statuss.
...omi, samxedro moqmedeba
uciloblad gulismxobs mSvi-
dobiani mosaxleobis dacvas,
xolo es adamianebi miatoves iq
bedis anabara. Cvenc Zalian gvi-
Wirda Tavidan muSaoba am ada-
mianebTan, radgan maT gadaita-
nes saSineli safrTxe bolo
oci wlis manZilze, agvistos
omi maTTvis aris mouSuSebeli
iara, isini xedaven rom bedis
anabara arian mitovebulni dRe-
sac da aseT adamianebTan Zali-
an rTulia urTierToba.
`maestro~
saqarTvelo kidev er-Txel daapatarava? Tuimitom, rom siRaribiszRvars miRma migatovaT,iseve rogorc 2008 wlis7 agvistos Rames dagto-vaT rusis jaris piris-pir, marto?
anda, is dedakaci, viRac ube-
duri mona, rom gaiZaxoda _`miSa
aSenebs, alamazebs saqarTveloso~
_ sad naxa, rodis naxa misi aSene-
buli rame? fasadebia qveynis aRm-
Senebloba, qalo, Tu is boslebi,
romelSic SegyaraT da garSemo
kidev gvel-bayayi SemogisiaT? mTe-
li baTumi Turqebis, rusebis da
yazaxebis aSenebulia, magram rad
ginda? _ qarTuli ena, aqa-iqa ga-
ismis quCaSi da eg aris aSeneba?
Seni, goris raioni rom daapatara-
va miSam, imas ratom ar gahkiodi
bolo xmaze?
anda, is virgla vin iyo, venebs
da kunTebs erTad rom beravda?
sad iyo maSin, roca sof. mereTi
RvTis anabara iyo mitovebuli da
iqidan gamoqceuli qal-bavSvi,
usaxlkarod darCenilebi, gors
rom iyvnen momwydarebi, kacebi ki-
dev zogi tyved da zogic daxvre-
taze rom hyavdaT gayvanilebi?
qarTvelebo! rodisunda SeignoT, rom saa-kaSvilma dagaqciaT!
qarTli saqarTvelos gulia da
swored am gulis amogleja undo-
da mas qarTvelebisTvis! marTali
iyo is kaci, meRvrikisis xidze
roca meubneboda _ `ai, es bombebi
RmerTma gamoagzavna ...aCvens dasa-
xocad, mTelma qarTlma `nac. moZ-
raobas~ rom miveciT xma 2008
wlis 25 maisso! gaixedeT, or na-
bijSi rusis tankebi da jari rom
dgas _ swored saakaSvilma dagi-
yenaT karebTan da rac male Seig-
nebT amas, miT ukeTesi TqvenTvis!
ise, biZina ivaniSvil-sac minda vkiTxo _batono biZina! 200 metr-Si, rusis jari rom dgasmereTSi, romelma Wkvi-anma girCiaT, axla iq un-da SexvdeT mosaxleoba-so? `jariskacis mama~gaxsovT? `tam JenSCinastrelaet!~-o? orasmetrSi me gavartyam mi-zanSi da rusis snaipersgauWirdeboda mizanSivinmes amoReba?
Tu, am nabijiT Tqvens uSiSro-
ebas usvamdiT xazs? ar vici, mag-
ram tyviam `ocneba~ da miT umetes,
romantika ar icis, gansakuTrebiT
ki, rusis tyviam, romelmac igive
mereTSi mravali adamiani gamoa-
salma sicocxles!
ase rom, Tqvens kon-sultantebs gadaeciT _`kokas yovelTvis ar mo-aqvs wyali~-Tqo da meo-
red, iseT adgilebSi nugamogzaureben, sadacara mxolod Tqveni, ara-med Tqveni Tanmxlebi pi-rebis sicocxlec SesaZ-loa safrTxis qveS dad-ges!
isic gaiTvaliswineT, rom po-
loneTis yofili prezidenti ka-
Cinskic uSiSrad Sevida (Seiyvanes)
e.w. neitralur zonaSi, magram ase-
Ti baga-bugi atexes saakaSvilis
spec. samsaxurebma _ rusebi egona!
isic gaiTvaliswineT, rom
RvTis mier mitovebul mereTe-
lebs, swored Tqveni vizitis Sem-
deg undaT Tanadgoma, Torem
`brma~ tyviebiT daxocilebs gavim-
ravlebT da es ki SesaZloa _ axa-
li konfliqtis, anu saakaSvil-
ruseTis SeTanxmebuli, saomari
moqmedebebis fasad daujdes saqar-
Tvelos!
win agvistoa... afxazeTisTvis
kremlSi dawerili avantiura
1992 wlis 14 agvistos daiwyo!
2008 wlis 8 agvistos ki _
afxazeTic da samaCabloc 2 dReSi
daikarga!
batono biZina, Tu sa-qarTvelosTvis marTlasikeTe gindaT, sazRv-rispira soflebsa TuqalaqebSi siaruls mo-eSviT, radgan, SesaZloa,Tqveni `mrCevelebis~ axi-rebis wyalobiT, swore-dac rom gamiznul pro-vokaciaSi amoyoT Tavida nu akeTebT amas, ra?
isic, xom SesaZlebelia, rom
swored Tqven dagbraldeT yoveli-
ve da Semdeg `viRac-viRacebma~ wa-
mogaZaxon _ rusebTan urTierTSe-
TanxmebiT da rusebTan Sexmatkbi-
lebulad `aagora~ ivaniSvilma yo-
velive es?
Tanac, Tqvens garemocvaSi im-
deni yofili `miSistia~, ra gasak-
viria, aseT rCevebs gamiznulad
gaZlevdnen da dasaklavi zvaraki-
viT, xan sazRvrispira samegrelo-
Si da xanac sazRvrispira qarTl-
Si wasvlisken gibiZgebdnen? iqneb
ukontrolo band-formirebebi
swored aseTi dReebisaTvis sWir-
deba saakaSvils da alasaniac am
siverageze saubrobda?
ifiqreT amaze, ifiqreT da is,
vinc aseT `keTil~ rCevebs gaZ-
levT, dauyovnebliv daagoreT so-
lolakis mixveul-moxveul gzaze!
irine gogosaSviliP.S. _ danamdvilebiT viciT,
rom xelisufleba biZina ivaniSvi-
lis likvidacias gegmavs _ acxa-
debs koaliciis erT-eerTi saxe.
Tu marTlac danamdvilebiT
iciT es ambavi, ras daatarebT am
adamians Sesawiri zvarakiviT iseT
adgilebSi, sadac teraqtis mowyo-
ba uadvilesi saqmea?
i.g
16 saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
alpinistebi da mTamsvlelebi saqarTve-
loSi vaJkacebad da Rirseul adamianebad
iyvnen cnobilni. mixeil xergianzec dRemde
legendebi dadis. Wiuxebisa da cicabo qa-
rafebis dalaSqvras gmiroba da gambedaoba
sWirdeba. Tumca, mTamsvlelTa vaJkacobac
“padoSasnairebma”, dRes iseTive gaurkvev-
lobis qveS daayenes, rogorc kacobisa da
naZirlobis mniSvneloba. “padoSad” cnobi-
li mTamsvlelic, “saxed” everestze misgan
gacxadebuli asvliTa da erT dros “karg
mTawmindelobiT” iqca. Tumca im “cnobil
asvlaSi”, romelsac ibralebda da ar yofi-
la, misi kolegebi “gaurkvevel viTarebaSi”
daiRupnen. bevri misi kolega alpinistic
“padoSas” am cnobil asvlasac eWvqveS aye-
nebda. Tumca, roca kaci sindis-namuss gai-
recxavs da “saakaSvilis Sniri”
gaxdeba, aRarc yofil alpi-
nistobas, Tbiliselobas
da yofil kacobas aqvs
ukve didi mniSvneloba.
“yofil kacobaze”
ubedureba dRes mxo-
lod “padoSoba” da
saakaSviloba SeiZ-
leba iyos. amitom,
saakaSvilis jibis
televiziad qceul
“real-tv”-is ekran-
ze “padoSas”, “flos-
tebisa” Tu “padoSasna-
irebis” gamoCenac aRara-
vis ukvirs. erT dros “kai
tipad” da “kai biWad” cnobi-
li, “sxvadasxva batonebis evere-
setze cocvaSi” daxelovnebuli `padoSa~
axla “saakaSvilis jomolungmaze” acocda
da iqedan ganagrZobs sazogadoebis damoZR-
vras. ra hqnas, Tu fuli agrerigad “nayva-
reba”?! adre Tu “oqros mayuTsa” da opo-
zicias miucocda, opoziciaSi winaswar Ca-
nergili (lustraciis kanonis miRebas, Ta-
visi arakacobis misaCqmalad TavgamodebiT
amitomac iTxovda) dRes giorgi TargamaZe-
saviT “saparlamento opoziciad” gvasaRebs
Tavs. TbiliselebSi “pan himalaiskid” mo-
naTlulma “padoSamac” metsaxeli gaamarT-
la. sxvebis “vazelinwasmulobaze” saubri-
sas, Tavad iqca saakaSvilis “fexsacmlis
padoSad”. vazelinis nacvladac, ukve Tavad
zis yurebamde “imaSi”, rasac esoden siamov-
nebiT miirTmevda revolucioneri kamoc.
rogori opoziciac “padoSaa”, iseTive “re-
aluri televiziaa” gurgena donaZis “real-
tv~-c. an ra “real-tv” iqneboda, pirveli-
ve dRidan “saakaSvilis reJimis mesaflavis”
_ “qarTuli ocnebis” winaaRmdeg binZuri
da Jurnalistikis TvalsazrisiT yovlad
araprofesionaluri kampania rom ar wamo-
ewyo da “qarTuli ocnebisa” da ivaniSvilis
salanZRav-saqilikod, 25 ivnisis gadacema
“dRis stumarSic” Tavad “saakaSvilis pa-
doSad qceuli mcocavi” rom ar moewvia?
“didma garekilma” brZana da “qarTuli oc-
nebis” regionaluri politikis gansaxilve-
lad, ivaniSvilis salanZRavad Camwkrivebu-
li “uTavmoyvareo monebis qaravani” patakis
Casabareblad mzadyofnaSia. saakaSvilis
sxva “mxoxav-mcocavebTan” erTad, mayureb-
lis win “cocvaSi daxelovnebuli”, “de-
mokratiuli partiis” Tavvmjdomare TorT-
laZec gamoCnda “donaZis cisferebis rea-
lur ekranze”. everestze rogorc iqna
abobRebul “padoSas”, amjerad, sportul-
Tan erTad, Turme “politikuri abobRebac”
da deokupaciis Temac hqonia miznad. “dro-
Sa avitane _ “saqarTvelo okupantebis ga-
reSeo”, _ meramdened imeorebda TorTlaZe.
Cemo gia, saqarTvelos da qarTul ideolo-
gias nacionalebze didi okupanti arc hyo-
lia, arc hyavs da RmerTma qnas _ arc eyo-
los. Tumca “lomis da katis” igavis msgav-
sad, “yvelaferze cocvas” rom swavlobdi,
iqedan Camosvla Tu gaqvs naswavli? Tu im
2 000 000-is imedad apireb yofnas, rome-
lic (borot enebs Tu davujerebT), “patim-
rebis komisiis Tavmjdomareobisas” mogarT-
ves da opoziciaSi agentad CanergvisTvis
dagifasda? afxazeTSi, samaCabloSi daRu-
pul biWebsa da ruseTis provokacias rom
miuZRveni eg Seni, rogorc iqna acoceba, eg
omi, sworedac im “kacad wodebulis” wa-
mowyebuli provokacia rom iyo, visi “fex-
sacmlis padoSadac” qceulxar dRes _ ar
ici? guSindeli dResaviT gvaxsovs general
yuraSvilis gancxadeba cxinvalSi konsti-
tuciuri wesrigis dasamyareblad Sesvlis
Taobaze. postfaqtum rom gamocxadda _ yu-
raSvils kontuzia hqondao. konstituciu-
ri wesrigis damyarebas iSveliebda saakaS-
vilis Tavdacvis eqsministri, Seni yofili
megobari oqruaSvilic kodorSi specopera-
ciisa da kodoris mosaxleobis ganiaraRe-
bis dros. esec, rogorc 2008 wlis agvis-
toSi gamoCnda, kodoris (dalis xeobis)
erTi gasrolis gareSe ruseTisTvis Casaba-
reblad sWirdeboda Sens mbrZanebels, Cemo
“padoS”. samaCabloSi gagzavnili satvirTo
manqanebis kolonebis TviTmxilvel-
nic gaxlavarT da “gamarjvebu-
li saakaSvilis” piarisT-
vis winasawar gamzadebu-
li droSebisa da tri-
bunebisac. “samaCabl-
os dambrunebel mTa-
varsardals” (sarw-
muno infrmaciiT)
popovisTvis soli-
duri Tanxa hqonda
gadaxdili. rusebma
“aWames” da cxinva-
lis regionis dabru-
nebis nacvlad, meore
cecxli kodoridan ga-
uxsnes. iqac, (rogorc
Cans, gegmis mixedviT), saa-
kaSvili, dagebul asfaltze aax-
rigines tankebi. amden xans Cvens iuris-
diqciaSi SenarCunebuli zemo afxazeTad ga-
dakeTebuli kodoric erTi gasrolis gare-
Se Caabara mters, Senma “adekvaturma”. saa-
kaSvili `halstukiT~ sabolood rom ar
damxrCvaliyo da rusebi TbilisSi ar Semo-
suliyvnen, Senma “maRalma da mxoxavma”
afxazeTis es erTaderTi forfostic daT-
mo. “mcocav-mxoxavebsac” biologiur-suli-
eri kavSiri rom gaqvT, amis dasturi “tya-
vis gamocvlis” Tqveni saucxoo unaricaa.
did fulze xan erTi batonis monobas Tan-
xmdebiT, xan meorisas. Tavdacvis maSindeli
ministris moadgilis _quTelias gancxade-
bebic: “ama da am saaTze, ama da am strate-
giul wertils vikavebTo” da cxinvalis
mosaxleobisTvis saakaSvilis “damaimedebe-
li dapirebac: “nu geSiniaT, saituacias va-
kontrolebT, saxlebSi darCiTo!”, _ gvax-
sovs. mtris samizned, am “saxlebSi darCe-
nilebis”, trial mindorze datovebuli re-
zervistebisa da Caxocili mZinare osebisT-
vis “pativis misagebad” everestze acoceba
ra saWiro iyo? an goris damombvaze ruseb-
Tan 50 000 dolarad garigebuli givia
TargamaZe ratom dagaviwyda? Cveni TvaliT
mainc ar gvenaxa Ramis 11 saaTze qarTuli
mxridan gaSvebuli transirebuli tyviebis
kadrebi, romelsac “gurgenas televiziebi”
da nayofias dafinasebuli filmi okupante-
bisgan nasrol “gradis tyviebad gvisaReben.
namdvili mTamsvlelebi, kacobasTan erTad,
simarTlis TqmiTac gamoirCeodnen. samaCab-
loSi SeWris aSS-sTan winaswar SeTanxme-
bul gegmazec, agvistos omSi qarTul sam-
xedro formaSi gamowyobili Savkanianebis
monawileobac metyvelebda. ar miTxra axla,
egeni “sircxvilisgan gaSavebuli” qarTveli
meomrebi iyvneno?! “respublikelebze” rom
saubrob, “wurbelelebiviT etmasnebian” xan
erT, xan meore subieqtebso, Sen riTi gan-
sxvavdebi, “padoS”, maTgan? jer oqruaSvi-
lis fulebs mietmasne (opozicioneris imi-
ji rom Segeqmna), davalebis Sesrulebis
Semdeg ki, isev Seni batonis gverdiT dade-
qi da damSeul qveyanaSi milionebi akeTe?
afxazeTis premier-ministris, ivaniSvilisa
da alsanias mimarT keTilganwyobac “Savi
piaris” nacvlad, antipiarad gamogivida. sa-
akaSvilisgan gansxvavebiT, yvela qarTve-
lisTvis afxazebTan urTierTobis dalageba
da am ZirZveli kuTxis dabruneba umTavre-
si amocanaa. utifrad moityue burjanaZisa
da ivaniSvilis mier saxlis dangrevis faq-
tzec. im saxlis patrons amerikeli coli
hyavs da sammagi anazRaurebis safasurad
didi siamovnebiT gayida saxli da Tavad wa-
vida saqarTvelodan.
rac Seexeba ivaniSvilis mier kultu-
ris, xelovnebis muSakTa da mecnierTa pen-
siebsa da dafinansebas, albaT, “padoSa”
unda iyo, rom ena mogibrundes da Tqva,
rom “ruseTis interesebSi iyo ivaniSvi-
li yvelaze “cnobad” adamianebs rom
afinansebdao. “ratom ar afinansebda 10
Svilian ojaxso?” iqneb Sens gaRore-
bul prezidentsa da Tanaparlamenta-
rebs hkiTxo _ ratom iyida saakaSvil-
ma auqcionze 7 miliard miniaturuli
cxeni an “ruslanebSi, kutunioebSi, xu-
lioebSi”, yinulis moednebSi, karuse-
lebSi, TviTmfrinavebSi da `grialisT-
vis~ ratom aniavebs qarTveli xalxis
fuls? Se, mamacxonebulo, ivaniSvils
sakuTar fuls rom uTvli, saakaSvils
dauTvale qarTveli xalxis qonebisa da
biujetis Tanxebis flangva. aseTi ariT-
metika namusgarecxilobas unda mivawe-
roT, Tu simaRleze asvliT tvinSi ga-
mowveul “iodis naklebobas”? “real-
tv”-s TuTiyuSiviT” rom imeorebdi iva-
niSvili xalxs “1000 lariani ocnebis”
axdenis sanacvlod 1-2 laris Setanas
sTxovso. Senc xom kargad ici Cemo “pa-
doS”, qarTveli xalxis yvelaze didi oc-
neba dRes saakaSvilisa da SenisTanebis Ta-
vidan mocileba romaa? saakaSvilis Semxed-
vare, imas rom ityvis normaluri kaci: “an
es adamiani (ivaniSvili b.a.) SeiSala Wku-
idan, an ityueba da isic ar uswavlia bav-
SvobaSi, tyuili rogor unda Tqvaso”, amis
Semdeg, Tavad Sen Tu xar normaluri? nam-
dvili mTamsvlelebi, kacobasTan erTad si-
marTlis TqmiTac gamoirCeodnen. saakaSvi-
liviT, tyulebis Tqma bavSvobaSi, Cans Senc
giswavlia. siyalbeSi gamowrTobili tele-
viziis wamyvanmac kveri dagikra: “cudia (i-
vaniSvils b.a.), tyuilis Tqma rom ver as-
wavleso”. vin mogca ufleba “padoSas”,
“flostsa” da miSas “pirad Snirs” kultu-
ris, xelovnebisa da mecnierebis warmomad-
genlebze ilaparako saxelmwifoze damoki-
debulni iyvnen, saxelmwifosgan micemul
manqanebsa da binebs hyidnen da arafers war-
moadgendneno. marTalia enas Zvali ara aqvs,
Tan iseT enas, romelic saubrisas piridan
givardeba, magram tvini da azri xom unda
daayolo naTqvams? diax, maSindeli saxelm-
wifo afasebda xelovans, mecniers da kul-
turis moRvaweebis amags. SesaZloa, viRac
hyidda kidec manqanasa da binas, magram ma-
Sindeli saxelmwifo pativs scemda qveynis-
Tvis amaggaweul Rirseul adamianebs. ar
“Caurecxavs” da ulukmapurod, “xvalinde-
li dRis SiSiT” ar dautovebia aravin. es
Rirseuli pirovnebebi imaze bevrad mets
akeTebdnen qveynisTvis, vidre kldeze coc-
va iyo Cemo “padoS”. an vis binebze da man-
qanebze saubrob, roca avtofarexebi da heq-
trebi ar eyofa nacionaluri moZraobis bi-
nebsa da manqanebs? Cems ojaxs arc manqana
miuRia vinmesgan, arc bina da dRes ivaniS-
vilis gverdiT vdgavarT. Sen sad dgaxar da
sad aRmoCndebi bolos, “padoS”?_ jobia
imaze ifiqro. amdeni tyuilis Tqma, rac
wamyvanma da “padoSam” erTad erT gadacema-
Si ikadres, rogor unda moaxerxos adamian-
ma?_ “es admianebi aqciebze RmerTkacsa da
RmerTisgan kurTxeuls uwodeben ivaniS-
vilso”, _ Tqva wamyvanma. “roca adamians
RmerTsa da wmindans adareb, Tavze vazelins
rom isvameno”, _ TorTlaZemac kveri dauk-
ra. Cemo “padoS”, “vazelinis wamsmelebSi”
Sens Tavs an RmerTkacSi “aRmaSeneblobaze
Caciklul” Sens garekils xom ar gulisx-
mob? vis mkrexelobaze saubrob, eklesiebis
damangreveli, qarTuli enis gamaTaxsirebe-
li, xatebis skolebSi da cixeebSi amkrZa-
lavi da bagratis taZris momspobisa da mi-
si kvalis waSlis mosurne prezidentis
xelSi? romeli ufro didi mkrexelobaa?!
Sens adgilas, am gadacemis Semdeg, mTa-
sa da kldes (iodis deficitis gamo) saer-
Tod aRar gavekarebodi, Torem isedac am
“brZnul azrebs” SesaZloa kidev daematos
sxvac da “uxelebo perangis kandidatad”
Tavad iqce. ivaniSvilisTvis gramatikul
Secdomebsa da leqsebze saubris nacvlad,
saakaSvilis gagexsenebina: muxran maWavari-
anTan specialurad Casulma Senma “normaSi
myofma”, “bavSvobis usayvarlesi leqsis”
erTi strofic rom ver Tqva sworad. “ga-
zafxulis motyvanebaze”, ilorisa sulo-
ris, ana kalandaZisa da galaktionis erTma-
neTSi arevaze, amiranis nacvlad promeTes-
Tvis, arwivis nacvlad ki yvavisTvis da Ca-
quCiT xelSi lurmnebiT Wedebaze, “argonav-
tebis STamomaval kolxebze”, pompeusisgan
TbilisisTvis fexebis mouWmelobaze _ aRa-
rafers vambob. lursmnebic, Senma “normaSi
myofma”, albaT qristesTvis samsWvalis Ca-
WedebaSi auria. ase erTianad gaunaTleble-
bi, uvicebi, naklulebi da utifrebi rogor
SeiyareT erTad? “padoSam” ivaniSvils eko-
nomikuri programac rom dauwune: “guru-
lebs gaWirvebaze unda elaparako. vici, gu-
rulebis ambavi da saxlSi laparakoben _ es
kaci (ivaniSvili b.a.) normaSi ver iyoo”.
mTeli saqarTvelo da dasavleTi didi xa-
nia saakaSvilis aranormalurobas Tavis
TvaliT xedavs da “everestze mZromialesT-
vis” ratom aris aseTi daunaxavi es? skamis
da saakaSvilTan naSovni fulis dakargavis
SiSiT, etyoba ukve Tavad “padoSac” veRa-
raa “normaSi”. fizikur naklTan Sexeba ar
mindoda, magram roca “padoSas” metyvele-
bis mqone kaci vinmeze ityvis “ymuiso”, ko-
mentaris gareSe ver davtoveb. bunebrivia,
“ivaniSvilis fisqoanalizsac~ _ ivaniSvils
warmodgena ara aqvs raze saubrobso, “pado-
Sas” “wiklauris, oCiaurisa da TavxeliZis
fsiqoanalizi urCevnia”. Tumca, Tu “mcoca-
vobam” Wkua sul mTlad ar gamourecxa, un-
da xedavdes, rom ivaniSvilis Tanmimdevrul
fsiqologiur svlebs etapobrivad ise ga-
mohyavs wyobidan ” normaSi myofi saakaSvi-
li”, rom ukve saerTaSoriso Tanamegobro-
bac ki Caafiqra aman. “usaxelo perangis” Ca-
mocmas rac Seexeba: peragCamoucmeladac,
“tansacmliani giJi” rom darbis aRma-daRma
saqarTveloSi, fexdafex rom dasdevs iva-
niSvils da misgan gacxadebul ekonomikuri
politikis nabijebs viTom rom aswrebs, ama-
sac ver xedav “padoS”?
baia maSukeli
aqa ambavi `padoSasa~ da sxva `mcocav-mxoxavTa~ Sesaxeb
17saerTo gazeTi#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
amaswinaT klub `jazuSi~
amiran amiranaSvilis doku-
menturi filmis `araCveul-
ebrivi nacizmis~ Cveneba Se-
dga.
aCveneT es filmi mTel sa-
qarTvelos da miSasgan (reJi-
mis krebsiTi saxeli) aRara-
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_ xsenebuli filmi, `araCveu-
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`100 grami~ da is `specwama-
li~, romelic saqarTvelos
yvelaze Rrmad CaZinebul,
dabrmavebul Tu dayruebul
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`ivaniSvili rom dadis ra-
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ra unda, 20 wuTia, sanam da-
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ori wlis win, manamde, vmuSa-
obdi moskovSi I arxze. 26 ma-
iss TbilisSi ar gaxldiT,
moskovSi viyavi miwveuli
festivalze, amdenad, darbevas
ver Seveswari. sadac, albaT,
bevric momxvdeboda, magram
bevr ramesac gadaviRebdi...
yvelafers aqvs sazRvari – es
yvelam unda naxos! imitom
aris filmi mxolod musikaze
awyobili, rom vfiqrob, saSi-
nel realobas movuZebne for-
ma, sadac laparaki ar aris
saWiro _ es, ubralod, unda
naxo _ amas ver mouyvebi ada-
mians, es unda gaiaro, es un-
da igrZno.
__ TTqqvveenn,, SSeeiiZZlleebbaa,, vveerr SSee-
nniiSSnneeTT,, mmaaggrraamm mmaammaakkaacceebbssaacc
CCeemmssaavviiTT CCaammoossddiiooddaaTT ccrreemm-
llii......
_ ki, SevniSne, bevri ti-
roda... vicodi, rom mZime sa-
yurebeli iqneboda, magram
aseT mZafr reaqciasac ar mo-
velodi. mirekaven adamianebi,
romlebsac undaT filmi ga-
dagzavnon saqarTvelos farg-
lebs gareT... aSS-Si, saberZ-
neTSi, inglisSi da aCvenon
xalxs...
gTavazobT saqarTvelos
dRevandeli reJimis
msxverplTaarasrul sias::arTmeliZe marad
(2006w. Tbilisi.
mokles specoperaci-
is dros); afrasiZe
evgeni da afrasiZe
omex (2004w. mesti-
is raioni. specope-
raciis dros moklu-
li mama-Svili); ba-
buxadia zviad (2006
w. baRdaTis raioni.
moklulia specope-
raciis dros); bar-
qaia diko (2004w. zugdidi.
moklulia specoperaciis
dros); bendeliani valeri
(2006w. baRdaTis raioni.
moklulia specoperaciis
dros); berZeniSvili mixe-
il (2006w. sagarejo. mok-
lulia dakavebisas); gamcem-
liZe giorgi (2008w. Tbi-
lisi. moklulia patrul-
inspeqtoris mier); gvelu-
kaSvili oTar (2004 w. mo-
klulia sof. kardenaxSi
Catarebuli specoperaciis
dros); girgvliani sandro
(2006w. oqroyana. gardacv-
lilia Sss TanamSromlebis
mier miyenebuli mravlobi-
Ti WrilobebiT); gogia Ten-
giz (2008w. senaki. moklu-
lia specoperaciis dros,
Cacxriles sakuTar saxl-
Si); gomaSvili aleqsandre
(2004w. mokles dakavebi-
sas); gorgaZe murad
(2006w. moklulia specope-
raciis dros); gumaSvili
avTandil da gumaSvili vax-
tang (2005w. sof. duisSi
Catarebuli specoperacii-
sas moklulebi); gulua
levan (2005w. Tbilisi.
mokles dakavebisas); esebua
nestor (2005w. abaSis rai-
oni. moklulia dakavebisas);
vazagaSvili zurab (2006w.
Tbilisi. specoperaciis dr-
os manqanaSi Cacxriles);
Tabagari aleqsandre (2005
w. sofeli ConCxaTi); Te-
lia gia (2006w. moklulia
specoperaciisas); kvezere-
li aleqsandre (2008w.
gurjaanis raioni. moklu-
lia Sss kaxeTis samxareo
policiis mTavari sammarT-
velos me-6 ganyofilebis
yofili ufrosis oTar go-
gociSvilis mier); kviri-
kaSvili SoTa (2005w. Tbi-
lisi.); kiziria buTxuz
(2006w. sof. varcixe. mok-
lulia specoperaciis dr-
os); kirakosiani mixeil
(2007w. sapatrulo poli-
ciis mier motocikletis
gaCerebis moTxovnis Seus-
ruleblobis gamo moklu-
li); koberiZe nino (2011w.
knolevi); kokaia xviCa
(2006w. xobis raioni. mok-
lulia specoperaciis
dros); korkotaSvili akaki
(2005 w. gurjaani. moklu-
lia specoperaciis dros);
krialaSvili gia (2009 w.
moklulia specoperaciis
dros); kukulava anton
(2004w. moklulia dakave-
bisas); kurkumuli Tamaz
(2005 w. Tbilisi. moklu-
lia specoperaciis dros);
lomiZe sulxan (2004w.
xelvaCauri. moklulia spe-
coperaciis dros); manTaZe
zurab (2008w. Tbilisi.
moklulia dakavebis Sem-
deg); mania nugzar (2010w.
zugdidi); manjaviZe giorgi
(2005w. Tbilisi.); margoS-
vili vaxtang (2005w. mok-
lulia sazRvris ukanonod
gadakveTisas); maxaraZe ro-
land (2007 w.); megreliZe
jimi (2009 w. zugdidi.
moklulia dakavebisas); me-
laZe giorgi (2005w. Tbi-
lisi); mesxiZe oleg (2007
w. ozurgeTi. moklulia
specoperaciis dros); nem-
siwveriZe varlam; robaqiZe
buta (2004 w. didubis pan-
TeonTan xelebaweuli mok-
la patrulma); sarjvelaZe
revaz (2005w. Tbilisi.
moklulia dakavebisas); say-
vareliZe daviT (2003w.
Tbilisi. javSantranspor-
tioris dajaxebis msxverp-
li); surmaniZe roman (2006
w. moklulia specoperaciis
dros); okujava gia (2005w.
abaSis raioni. moklulia
dakavebisas); fancqvelaZe
zaza (2004 w. zugdidi.
moklulia specoperaciis
dros); fxakaZe valeri
(2006w. quTaisi. gardaicva-
la dakavebisas miyenebuli
WrilobebiT); qardava mur-
Taz (2004w); SavaZe roin
(2008w. 16 agvisto. mokles
wamebiT); CarCxalia mamuka
(2009w. Tbilisi.); CafiZe
jemal (2006w. Terjolis
raioni. moklulia dakavebi-
sas); cekvava Temur (2005w.
abaSis raioni. moklulia
dakavebisas); cindeliani ge-
la (2006w. sof. Wuberi.
moklulia specoperaciis
dros); wuliaSvili eTer
(2003w. Tbilisi. javSant-
ransportioris dajaxebis
msxverpli); WarbaZe giga
(2007w); xositaSvili
aleqsandre (2007w. sof.
diRomi. gardaicvala poli-
cielebis cemis Sedegad);
xoStaria vladimer (2005w.
mokles dakavebisas); xubu-
lovi aleqsandre (2006w.
Tbilisi. specoperaciis
dros manqanaSi Cacxriles);
xubunaia Temur (2004w);
jabanaSvili jaba (2006w.
borjomi.);
es, rac iseTi faqtebia,
romelTac veranairi `TeT-
ri Zafi~ rom ver keravs,
Torem, oficialuri versi-
iT `ubeduri SemTxvevebi~,
`policiis mxridan adekva-
turi qmedebebi~ da a. S mag-
ram realurad mokluli
adamianebi calke Temaa.
e.w `cixis buntis~ dros,
oficialuri versiiT, mok-
lulia 7 patimari, Tumca,
araoficialurad sxva cifri
saxeldeba. igive iTqmis 2011
wlis 26 maiss gardacvli-
lebzec, (oficialurad, de-
nis dartymisgan gardacvli-
li nika kvintraZe da suli-
ko asaTiani, romlebic saxu-
ravze borkildadebulebi na-
xes), am darbevis Semdeg,
mtkvarSi, `TviTmkvlelobis
mizniT~ zurgsukan xelebgak-
ruli gvamebis aRmoCenazec,
policiis Senobis kibeebze
`dacemul~, magram realurad
nawameb da moklul soso qi-
meriZeze da a. S romeli da
ramdeni erTi oficialuri
versiaa...
kidev erTxel vucxadebT
TanagrZnobas yvela gardac-
vlilis Wirisufals da am-
avdroulad bodiSs vuxdiT
im Wirisuflebs, romelTa
ojaxebis gardacvlil wev-
rTa vinaoba CvenTvis ucno-
bia.
maia WeliZe
`araCveulebrivi nacizmi~ _ aCveneT es filmi saqarTvelos
da miSasgan aRaraferi darCeba!
18 saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
diabetianebs eqimebi urCe-
ven, SezRudon an saerTod
uari Tqvan Saqris miRebaze.
bevrisTvis Zneli da zogjer
SeuZlebelic ki aris tkbilze
uaris Tqma, swored aseTi ada-
mianebisTvis gamoigones Saqris
Semcvlelebi.
Saqris Semcvlelebi SesaZ-
loa iyos bunebrivi da xelov-
nuri.
bunebrivi Saqris
Semcvlelebi
bunebriv Saqris Semcvle-
lebs, romlebsac xSirad sak-
veb damatkboblebsac uwode-
ben, Seicavs zogierTi mcenare,
xili, kenkra, bostneuli; maT
miekuTvneba fruqtoza, qsili-
ti, sorbiti, maltiti, izoma-
ti.
bunebrivi Saqris Semcvle-
lebi sisxlSi Saqris dones
gacilebiT naklebi xarisxiT
zrdis, vidre Cveulebrivi Sa-
qari. amasTan, maT aTvisebas ar
sWirdeba insulini.
gaiTvaliswineT:
_ rodesac diabeti arakom-
pensirebulia da sisxlSi Saq-
ris done maRalia, ar SeiZle-
ba sorbitis miReba.
gamocdileba gviCvenebs,
rom pacientebs, romlebic re-
gularulad iyenebdnen sor-
bits, adreulad uviTardebaT
polineiropaTiebi, ase rom,
sorbitisa da qsilitis miReba
mxolod maSinNaris daSvebuli,
rodesac diabeti kompensire-
bulia.
_ sorbiti didi dozebiT
(erTjeradad 30 gramze meti)
iwvevs kuW-nawlavis traqtis
aSlilobas.
_ bunebriv Saqris Semcv-
lelebSi aris kaloriebi
(1g=4kkal), amitom dRe-Rame-
Si mxolod 30 gramis miRebaa
daSvebuli.
_ diabetianebs unda axsov-
deT, rom yoveli produqtis
SeZenisas aucilebelia, etike-
tis meSveobiT Seamowmon, xom
ar aRemateba produqtSi gamo-
yenebuli sakvebi damatkboble-
bi daSvebul dones (30 gramze
meti).
xelovnuri Saqris
Semcvlelebi
xelovnuri Saqris Semcv-
leli bevria, maT meorenairad
intensiur damatkbobeblebsac
uwodeben. esenia: aspartami,
ciklamati, saqarini, sukralo-
zi, stevia.
xelovnuri Saqris, Semcv-
lelebi bunebrivi Saqris Sem-
cvlelebisgan gansxvavebiT,
sisxlSi Saqris dones ar
zrdis, Sesabamisad, maTi gamo-
yeneba SeiZleba arakompensire-
buli diabetis drosac. garda
amisa, isini ar Seicavs kalo-
riebs da Warb wonasTan brZo-
laSic gamosadegia.
dasaxeleba `intensiuri~
imaze miuTiTebs, rom Saqarze
bevrad ufro tkbilia da swo-
red amitom gamoiyeneba Zalzed
mcire dozebiT.
intensiuri damatkboblis
saxe yovelTvis miTiTebulia
produqtis etiketze.
yvelaze gavrcelebuli in-
tensiuri damatkboblebia:
aspartami _ E 951, komer-ciuli dasaxelebebia svitli,
slastilini, sukrazidi, nut-
risviti. 200-jer tkbilia
Saqarze. rekomendebuli ar
aris fenilketonuriiT (Tan-
dayolili daavadeba, rome-
lic nivTierebaTa cvlis moS-
las gulisxmobs da memkvid-
reobiT gadaecema) davade-
bulTaTvis.
ciklamati _ E 952 (cuk-
li), ararekomendebulia 1,5-
dan 4-wlamde bavSvebisaTvis
dReSi sam ulufaze meti sas-
meli an fafa, romlebic mas
Seicavs;
saqarini _ E 954, daSvebu-lia bevr qveyanaSi, Tumca misi
gamoyeneba maSin, rodesac ada-
mians diabeti ar aqvs, sasur-
veli ar aris.
aseve ar SeiZleba misi ga-
moyeneba bavSvebisTvis da maT-
Tvis, visac Tirkmlis an RviZ-
lis paTologia aqvs.
kaliumis acesulfati _
E 950, Saqarze 200-jer tkbi-lia, ar aris rekomendebuli
im daavadebebis dros, romel-
Ta mimdinareobisas kaliumis
miRebaa SezRuduli;
gaiTvaliswineT:
_ ciklamati Cveulebriv
Saqarze 30-jer, saqarini ki
300-jer ufro tkbilia, Tum-
ca xelovnuri niSnavs qimiurs,
nebismieri qimia ki didi doze-
biT toqsikuria. amitom xe-
lovnuri Saqris Semcvlelebis
miReba SeiZleba mxolod aseTi
sqemiT _ 2,5 mg sxeulis 1 kg-
ze.
_ ararekomendebulia or-
sulebisa da meZuZuri dedebis-
Tvis;
_ nebismieri maTgani ver
uZlebs Termul damuSavebas
da mware xdeba.
_ nebismieri maTgani unda
miiRoT mxolod eqimis daniS-
nulebiT, radganac isini mxo-
lod kvebiTi danamatebi ar
aris;
_ Saqris yvela Semcvlels
axasiaTebs Zlieri naRvlmdeni
efeqti, amitom sanaRvle gze-
bis daavadebis mqoneebT, SesaZ-
loa daavadeba gaumwvavdeT.
_ Saqris Semcvlelebs ar
SeuZlia sisxlSi Saqris do-
nis daqveiTeba da arc diabe-
tis samkurnalo wamlebia.
_ wesad gaixadeT da pro-
duqtis SeZenisas mis etiket-
ze miTiTebul informacis gae-
caniT;
_ adamianis moTxovnileba
Saqrris mimarT individualu-
ria, amitom Saqris Semcvle-
lis arCevisas didi dafiqreba
gvmarTebs.
feromonebi _ biologiurad
aqtiuri nivTierebebia, rom-
lebsac nebismieri cocxali
organizmis specialuri ujre-
debi da endokrinuli jirkv-
lebi gamoimuSavebs. maT Seda-
rebiT mcire molekuluri masa
gaaCnia da maRal aqtiurobas
amJRavnebs haerSi yvelaze da-
bali koncentraciiT moxvedri-
sasac ki.
qimiuri Sedgenilobis mi-
xedviT, arsebobs feromonTa
sakmaod mravalferovani jgu-
fi. cnobilia SiSisa da ganga-
Sis, sqesobrivi simwifis, qce-
vis, sixarulis, siyvarulisa
da vnebis feromonebi; yvela
maTgani mfrinavi aromatia, ad-
vilad gamoiyofa haerSi da
swrafadve iSleba.
iakobsis organo
feromonebis moqmedeba mT-
lianad adamianis vomeronaza-
lur organozea damokidebuli.
igi pirvelad me-18 saukunis
dasawyisSi holandielma eqimma
iakobsma cxvirSi daWrili ja-
riskacis mkurnalobisas aRmo-
aCina. manamde fiqrobdnen, rom
vomeronazaluri organo mxo-
lod embrions hqonda da daba-
debisTanave qreboda.
300 wlis Semdeg, sul
ramdenime wlis winaT ki, ame-
rikelma fiziologebma es or-
gano xelaxla aRmoaCines. igi
yvelas aqvs, es aris TiToeul
nestoSi moTavsebuli patara, 1
mm diametris CaRrmaveba, rome-
lic ori asanTis Cxiris zomis
milSi grZeldeba, CaRrmavebaca
da milis kedlebic mTlianad
dafarulia receptorebiT, ro-
mlebic signals ynosvis cent-
ris gverdis avliT, pirdapir
Tavis tvins ugzavnis.
swored iakobsis organos
damsaxurebaa, rom feromonebi
ase moqmedebs adamianze da bo-
lomde gaucnobierebel emoci-
ebs iwvevs, maT Soris _ seqsu-
alursac.
iakobsis organo specifiku-
rad aris awyobili feromoneb-
ze da SeuZlia haerSi am niv-
Tierebis miligramis memiliar-
de nawilic ki amoicnos.
dReisTvis adamianis 30-mde
feromonia amocnobili. maTi
umravlesoba cxviris nestoe-
bis kanSi, kisris, Sorisisa da
sazardulis areSi gamoiyofa.
amocnobilia is feromone-
bic, romlebic garkveul ur-
TierTobebs iwvevs axlo naTe-
savebSi, magaliTad dis, dedis
feromonebi mamakacSi Trgunavs
seqsualur aqtivobas. arsebobs
meZuZuri dedis feromoni, ro-
melsac axalSobili yvelaze
ukeT gansazRvravs da patara
arseba xvdeba, sad wevs dedi-
ko.
cnobilia biologiurad aq-
tiuri iseTi feromonebi, rom-
lebic amSvidebs adamians, uqve-
iTebs arteriul wnevas da um-
cirebs guliscemas.
sasqeso feromonebi _
atraqtantebi
mecnierTaTvis gansakuTre-
biT sainteresoa sasqeso fero-
monebi _ atraqtantebi: and-
rostenori da kopulini.
androstenori mamakacis sa-
ofle jirkvalSi warmoiqmneba,
kopulini ki qalis vaginaluri
jirkvlebis sekretia. swored
es ori feromonia, romlebic
adamianebs sapirispiro sqesis
yuradRebis mipyrobaSi exmare-
bian.
mamakacTa 10 procenti of-
lTan erTad gamoyofs gansa-
kuTrebul feromonebs, romle-
bic maT qalbatonebisTvis ga-
cilebiT mimzidvelebs xdian.
maTi kani da Tma Seicavs gansa-
kuTrebuli saxis androste-
rons, romelic haerSi moxved-
ris Semdeg qals dasaaxloeb-
lad uCinar, Seucnobel mowo-
debas ugzavnis, qalebi ki am
mowodebas ise emorCilebian,
Tavadac ar ician, ratom amjo-
bines esa Tu is mamakaci danar-
Cenebs. isini ubralod grZno-
ben, rom swored misi gacnobis,
masTan daaxloebis survili
aqvT.
mamakacis sasqeso feromone-
bi astimulirebs mdedrobiTi
sasqeso hormonebis sinTezs da
zrdian Svilosnobis vadas.
qalebis vaginaluri jirkv-
lebis sekretsac pirobiTad
SeiZleba `axlos modi~ daarq-
va, radgan androstenoris
msgavsad, masac SeuZlia mowi-
naaRmdege sqesSi gaucnobiere-
beli simpaTiis aRZvra. sasur-
veli qalis surneli aumjobe-
sebs mamakacis ganwyobas da mas
stresebTan da problemebTan
brZolaSi exmareba.
atraqtantebs Tavad suni
ar aqvs, magram iakobsis orga-
noze moqmedebis Semdeg, swo-
red isini wyvets, vin sWirde-
ba adamians yvelaze metad da
vin _ ara. ra Tqma unda, mxed-
veloba da smena aucilebelia,
magram swored atraqtantebi
TamaSobs mTavar rols erTi
naxviT SeyvarebaSi, romelsac
ufro logikuri iqneboda, Tu
erTi SesunTqviT Seyvarebas
davarqmevdiT.
qalebi feromonebs
ukeT grZnoben
gairkva, rom qalbatonebi
gacilebiT mgrZnobiareni arian
feromonebisadmi; anatomiura-
dac, iakobsis organo mamakace-
bisaze odnav didi aqvT. fizi-
ologebi darwmunebuli arian,
rom qalisTvis sakmarisia, ma-
makacTan erTad 15 wami icek-
vos, rom mixvdes, ramdenad sa-
interesoa seqsualurad igi.
susti sqesis warmomadgen-
lebs feromonebis amocnobis
unari 1000-jer metad aqvT
ganviTarebuli da gansakuTre-
biT did mgrZnobelobas amJRav-
nebel ZviradRirebul parfiu-
meriaSi gamoyenebuli aromate-
bisadmi.
sainteresoa imis aRniSvnac,
rom rodesac policielebi bo-
rotmoqmedebs usafrdebian, po-
licieli-qalbatonebi maT mo-
axloebas kolega-mamakacebze
gacilebiT adre grZnoben.
moamzada
zviad RonRaZem
ramdenad usafrTxoa Saqris Semcvlelebi
Cveni sxeulis aromatebi, anu erTi SesunTqviT Seyvareba
19saerTo gazeTi#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
`̀saerTo gazeTs~ moZraoba
`̀aras~ lideri levan CitaZeesaubra
`saqarTvelos ekonomika ra-
xan ar arsebobs, aucilebeli
iyo mdidari adamianebis Tanad-
goma, qveyanaSi realuri SimSili
rom ar dawyebuliyo. 2003 wli-
dan moyolebuli xelisufleba
cdilobda biujeti gayidvebis
xarjze Seevso. gaiyida yvelafe-
ri, maT Soris strategiuli
obieqtebi, tyeebi, tbebi da mdi-
nareebic ki, magram es finansuri
simyaris 40-50%-s Tu uzrun-
velyofda, danarCens Turme
praqtikulad erTi adamiani, bi-
Zina ivaniSvili asrulebda. sa-
bolood gairkva, rom es adamia-
ni inaxavda Tavdacvis uwyebasa
da Sss-s, sxvaze rom aRaraferi
vTqvaT. mas Semdeg, rac biZina
ivaniSvilma qveyanaSi axali po-
litikuri realoba Seqmna, saa-
kaSvilsa da mis xelisuflebas,
ra Tqma unda, moaklda msxvili
finansuri wyaro. sazogadoebriv
mauwyebels, sapatrulo polici-
as, Tavdacvis saministros xel-
fasebis problema Seeqmna. saidan
unda moitanon es fuli, roca
TiTqmis yvelaferi gayidulia?
Tavidan rkinigzis aqciebs miadg-
nen gasayidad, magram, rogorc ki
batonma biZinam ganacxada am aq-
ciebs me viyidio, xelisuflebam
maSinve gadamala yvelaferi,
Tumca fulis problema mainc
darCa, amitomac daiwyes ukanono
da usamarTlo jarimebis dawese-
ba biZina ivaniSvilis, `qarTuli
ocnebis~ da am koaliciaSi Sema-
vali politikuri partiebis mi-
marT. bolo xans kolosaluri
TanxiT daajarimes biZina ivaniS-
vili, rac sruli ukanonobaa,
magram yvelaze sagulisxmo isaa,
rom im qonebas ayadaReben, rasac
is saqarTveloSi praqtikulad
ar flobs. Tanac Turme es, yve-
laferi ar yofila, Zieba unda
gagrZeldes, unda moiZion kidev
ras flobs. amis paralelurad
xelisufleba martivad SeZlebs
darCenili saxelmwifo qonebis,
maT Soris strategiuli obieq-
tebis, rkinigzisa da gazsadenis
auqcionze gatanas da gasxvise-
bas, biZina ivaniSvili ki am aq-
ciebis SesyidvaSi monawileobas
veRar miiRebs, radgan im qoneba-
sac dauyadaReben. mokled, xeli-
suflebam Semosavlis ori wyaro
gaiCina am gayidvebisa da jarime-
bis saxiT. amis garda, maT sxva
`Savi~ wyaroebic aqvT, ris Sesa-
xebac sazogadoebam araferi
icis. es aris prostitucia aWa-
raSi da narkobiznesi, Tanac ga-
ormagebuli Tu gasammagebuli
odenobiT. baTumSi prostituci-
is bumia. zRvispira raionebSi
yvelgan bordelebia gaxsnili,
romliT sargeblobac saqarTve-
los moqalaqeebis garda, yvelas
SeuZlia.
- vis ekuTvnis es bordelebi
da vin `muSaobs~ iq?
- rogorc aRmoCnda, es qale-
bi sxvadasxva qveynebidan hyavT
Camoyvanili da isini realurad
trefikingis msxverplni arian.
ufro detaluri gamoZieba
sWirdeba, zustad ra raodeno-
bis qali yavT motyuebiT Camoy-
vanili. am yvelafers ki saxel-
mwifo uwyobs xels, anu saxel-
mwifo uzrunvelyofs maT
motyuebiT Camoyvanas, rac imis
maniSnebelia, rom isini verasd-
ros daaRweven Tavs iqaurobas.
me ramdenadac vici, am `biznes-
ze~ pasuxismgebloba levan var-
SalomiZem aiRo, mas Zalze kon-
kretulad uTxres, rom arCevne-
bisTvis aucilebelia Tanxebi.
xelisuflebam mTeli resursebi
aWarisken mimarTa, ase vTqvaT,
rekonstruqciisTvis, Sadrevne-
bis, caTambjenebis, grandiozu-
li bulvaris gasakeTeblad, ami-
tom varSalomiZeze yvelaze me-
tadaa zewola, rac ginda is ga-
akeTe, rom rac SeiZleba meti
fuli Semovides aWaridano. am
moTxovnis gamo, man, Tavis
mxriv, piroba wamoayena, rom
yvela resurss gamoiyenebs, rac
gaaCnia da amaSi aravin unda Ca-
erios, pirvel rigSi Sss. cxa-
dia, aWaris Sefma es piroba mi-
iRo da CaerTo prostituciis
biznesSi, rac Zalze seriozuli
danaSaulia, radgan saxelmwi-
fos dakveTiT adamianebi motyu-
ebiT CamoyavT, romlebic trefi-
kingis msxverplni xdebian. rac
Seexeba narkobizness, rogorc
evropeli samarTaldamcavebi ir-
wmunebian, saqarTvelos gavliT
narkortikebis moZraobam imata,
anu saqarTvelo aris narkotre-
fikis satranzito gza, saidanac
seriozuli fuli rCeba saqarT-
velos mxares. es aris Savi bi-
ujeti, Tanxebi, romlebic rea-
lurad arsad fiqsirdeba. Tu
biZina ivaniSvils oficialurad
arTmeven asobiT milions, uamra-
vi kompaniac daajarimes mis ga-
mo da jarimebis saerTo raode-
noba 300 milions gascda, gaci-
lebiT meti Tanxis akumulireba
xelisuflebas am Savi biznesiT
SeuZlia, romelic ar Cans. sa-
boloo jamSi es Zalze didi
finansuri resursia, rac maT
arCevnebisTvis sWirdebaT, ami-
tom yvela meTods iyeneben.
- kontrolis palatam kaxa
kukavas `Tavisufali saqarTve-
los~ da `axali memarjvenee-
bis~ Semowmebac daiwyo. xeli-
suflebas amiT Tavi-
si obieqturobis
xazgasma unda, Tu
sxvebis gakulakebac
gadawyvites, miT u-
metes bolo xans,
rogorc Cans kukavas
fuli gauCnda.
_ `axali memarj-
veneebis~ Semowmeba
da raRaca darRveve-
bis aRmoCena, Cemi
azriT, sruli ble-
fia. 26 maisis Sem-
deg oqtombramde po-
litikuri subieqte-
bi garkveulwilad
did gaurkvevlobaSi iyvnen. im
periodSi `axalma memarjveneeb-
ma~ airCies konkretuli gza, ga-
dawyvites politikuri relsebi
SeecvalaT. daviT gamyreliZem,
romelsac 2008 wels da mogvi-
anebiTac sakmaod maRali reitin-
gi hqonda, 2011 wels es gadawy-
vetileba miiRo, radgan imedi ar
hqonda, rom parlamentSi moxv-
deboda. aqedan gamomdinare, Se-
icvala politikuri orientacia
da am cvlilebaSi rasac vgu-
lisxmob, yvelas kargad moexse-
neba. darwmunebuli var, is am na-
bijs Zalze nanobs, xvdeba rom
didi Secdoma dauSva, magram
ukan dabruneba ukve aRar SeuZ-
lia, am gzis bolos ki politi-
kuri cxovrebidan saerTod gaq-
roba elodebaT.
rac Seexeba kaxa kukavas par-
tias, is calke did safrTxes ar
warmoadgens, radgan es partia
xelisuflebis Canacvlebas ver
moaxdens, magram im blefis dasa-
farad, rom TiTqos yvelas amow-
meben, kukavas partiac Seamowmes.
saidan aqvs kukavas finansebi,
namdvilad ar vici da am etapze
arc aris Cemi interesis sfero.
xelisufleba kaxa kukavas Temas
kargad gamoiyenebs mtris xatis
Sesaqmnelad da ruseTis agento-
bis dasabraleblad. ramdenadac
vici, jer mxolod partiis Se-
mowmeba mimdinareobs, ar aris
gamoricxuli patara represiu-
li manqana mis winaaRmdegac Car-
Ton, Savi piari augoron da Se-
aferxon `qarTuli ocnebis~ ki-
dev ufro gafarToeba, radgan ar
gamovricxav, rom kukavasTan da
sxva opoziciuri partiebis li-
derebTanac daewyo biZina ivaniS-
vils molaparakeba. aqedan gamom-
dinare, kaxa kukavas winaswar
ideba `kompromati~, rom is pro-
rusulia da Tu biZina ivaniSvi-
li mas daelaparakeba, xelisuf-
leba erT ambavs atexs, xom vam-
bobdiT ivaniSvili ruseTis
proeqtia, prorusuli Zalebi
gaerTiandneno.
saakaSvili, ra Tqma unda yve-
lafris nebas miscems mTavrobas,
mTel saxelmwifo resurss mi-
marTavs `qarTuli ocnebisa~ da
sxva opoziciuri partiebis wi-
naaRmdeg, Tumca es ar niSnavs,
rom mas Zalze didi survili
aqvs xelisuflebaSi darCes da
amisTvis ibrZvis.
- sxvas ras unda niSnavdes?
- imas, rom, rac ufro metad
ganaxorcielebs saakaSvili ze-
wolas da represias opoziciu-
ri partiebis mimarT, miT ufro
metad eSinia sakuTari garemoc-
vis. es zustad imis maCvenebe-
lia, rogor eSinia zurab adeiS-
vilis, vano merabiSvilis, par-
lamentis umravlesobis wevre-
bis, gamgeblebis... is Tu am xa-
lxs represiebis uflebas ar
miscems, isini avtomaturad
ifiqreben, rom saakaSvili xe-
lisuflebaSi darCenas ar api-
rebs, ris Semdegac maTi didi
nawili axali navis moZebnaze
zrunvas daiwyebs, sadac usafr-
Txod igrZnoben Tavs, moparul
fulebsac gadaarCenen da imis
garantia eqnebaT, rom ar daiWe-
ren. yvela maTgans erTnairi
fsiqologia aqvT, maTi azriT,
rogorc TviTon eqceodnen Tun-
dac SevardnaZis droindel ma-
RalCinosnebs, maTac ise moeqce-
vian. ise, aseTi warmodgena romc
ar hqondeT da realoba obieq-
turad aRiqvan, maTTvis mainc
mZime asatania samarTliani sasa-
marTlos pirobebSi daisajon im
danaSaulebebisTvis, rac Caidi-
nes da dResac sCadian. saakaS-
vilma Tavisi gundi, rom ar da-
aimedos, mxolod Tavisi dacvis
amara darCeba da azvirTebuli
sakuTari gundi gadauvlis. man
es yvelaferi kargad icis, ami-
tomac maT eubneba, xelisufle-
baSi vrCebiT da yvelaferi unda
gavakeToT `qarTuli ocnebis~
mosaspobado, rasac, ra Tqma un-
da ver SeZleben. darwmunebuli
var dapatimrebebis axali seria
daiwyeba. imaSic var darwmune-
buli, rom saakaSvils gaazrebu-
li aqvs, is brazi da Zala, rac
xalxSi grovdeba, saboloo jam-
Si Zalze cudad rom amoxeT-
qavs. Tu xelisufleba arCevne-
bis gayalbebas gadawyvets, es
dagrovili Zala imdenad didi
da Zlieri iqneba, rom marTla
SesaZlebeli iqneba samoqalaqo
omis gamowveva. me ar meguleba
uwyeba, romelSi momuSave adami-
anebic xalxis gverdiT ar dad-
gebian, radgan maTac yelSi aqvT
amosuli yvelaferi. policias
xelisufleba ukve aRar endoba
(SeiZleba amisi gamoZaxilic
iyos vano merabiSvilis am uwye-
bidan CamoSoreba – m.s.), radgan
policiis TanamSromlebi adekva-
turad aRiqvamen realobas da
acxadeben, rom isini qveynis sam-
saxurSi arian da ara romelime
pirovnebis, amitom kanoni unda
daicvan. amis gamo, am uwyebidan
Zalze bevri adamiani daiTxoves
da kidev bevrs gaaTavisufleben.
- represiebi daiwyo im xal-
xis mimarTac, vinc `qarTuli
ocnebis~ angariSze fuli gada-
ricxa, oRond imas ki ar edave-
bian ratom gadaricxes, aramed
imiT interesdebian, saidan aqvT
maT es fuli.
- es bunebrivi proceduraa am
xelisuflebisTvis, rom misTvis
arasasurveli subieqtis anga-
riSze moxvedrili Tanxis gadam-
ricxvels problemebi Seuqmnas.
is dakiTxvis forma, Tu saidan
aqvs am adamians es fuli, Zalze
hgavs sabWoTa periods, roca
adamians SeiZleboda didi fuli
hqonoda, magram am fuls ver ga-
moaCenda, radgan CamoarTmevdnen
da SeiZleboda cixeSic ekraT
misTvis Tavi. SeiZleba maT es
Tanxa sruliad kanonieri gziT
hqondaT mopovebuli, magram ma-
inc malavdnen. zurab azmaifa-
raSvils ar gauWirdeba Tavisi
fulis warmomavlobis damtkice-
ba, magram sxva pirebs, naxeT, ra
mdgomareobaSi ayeneben – vTqvaT,
konkretulma pirma Tavis megob-
rebTan erTad gadawyvita Segro-
vili fulis `qarTuli ocnebis-
Tvis~ gadaricxva. am pirma is
adamianebi rom daasaxelos, rom-
lebsac gamoCena ar undaT, maT
Zalze cudad eqnebaT saqme. Tu
biznesmenebi, arian bizness Camo-
arTmeven, arabiznesmens raRacas
mainc waarTmeven, narkotiks an
iaraRs Caudeben, Tu vinme hyavs
patimari, imas cixeSi ukidure-
sad Seaviwroeben. amitomac in-
teresdebian, saidan moitanes maT
es fuli. paralelurad imasac
gaarkveven realurad ramdeni
mxardamWeri hyavs `qarTul oc-
nebas~, maT xom mouwyoben repre-
siebs da sxvebsac daaSineben, _
politikuri Semowirulobis ga-
Reba ar gabedoTo. amgvari Semo-
wirulobis gamRebi nebismieri
adamiani saakaSvilis xelisuf-
lebisgan mtrad aRiqmeba, mtrebs
ki nacionalebi yvela meTodiT
ebrZvian.
manana suxiSvili
saakaSvilma Tavisi gundi rom ar daaimedos,
SeiZleba sakuTarma garemocvam gadauaros
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`̀ddrrooss ggaasswwrreebbuullii kkaacciiss~~ nnaa-
aazzrreevvii::
I `mterma ki ar dagvca, Cvenma
sarwmunoebis dakargvam wagvaxdi-
na, aRar gvwamda sakuTari Tavi,
ucxoeTi ki Cvens TvalSi raRac
uzenaes qmnilebad ixateboda. sa-
nam umoqmedo nawili Cveni sazoga-
doebisa Sromas da Tavis rCenas
ar SeeCveva, sanam Cveni xalxi mew-
veli Zroxis mdgomareobidan ar
gamova, SeuZlebelia CvenSi namd-
vili erToba daarsdes, an gulw-
rfeli Zmoba, an xeiriani ganwyo-
bileba... ucodinrobaa Cveni momre-
vi da ara mravalricxovani momx-
duri... erTmaneTs SevesieT da Se-
vakvdiT... erTmaneTi miwasTan ga-
vasworeT...~
I `jer arsad, arc erT qve-
yanaSi magaliTi ar unaxavs
kacs, rom romelime xalxi, an
sazogadoeba amaRlebuliyos
sxvisi daxmarebiT, Tu ara saku-
Tari SromiT da janiT. advilad
SenaZeni, napovni, naCuqari arc
kerZo kacs daayris xeirs da
arc mTel sazogadoebas~.
I `Cveni qveynis gonebrivi
zrdisaTvis didi ubedurebaa is
garemoeba, rom dedis ZuZuTi ki
ar vikvebebiT, aramed cxra mTas
gadaRmidan moyvanil ZiZas vabari-
varT. isic xSirad Txis rZes gva-
wovebs da ara adamianisas. ucxoe-
li ZiZa, ragind saRi iyos, Sens
dedaenas ver gaswavlis, Seni qvey-
nis bunebasa da saWiroebas ver ga-
gacnobs...~
I `yvela xalxs sakuTari gan-
sakuTrebuli xasiaTi da zne aqvs,
rom russ veravin gaanemecebs, qar-
Tvels vera kaci gaarusebs. SesaZ-
lebelia qarTvels Coxis magier
zipuni Caacva, boxoxis magier –
Sapka daaxuro, qalamnis magier –
waRa misce, magram xasiaTi da zne,
sisxli da buneba ki mainc qarTve-
lis darCeba. da roca am bunebas
Zalas daatan... maSin xifaTs Seey-
rebi, saqmes waixden, qveyanas av-
neb...~
I `ara klasobrivi brZola,
ara erovnuli SuRli, aramed er-
Tianobaa saWiro umTavresi miznis
_ pirovnulobisa da Tavisufle-
bis misaRwevad~.
I `arc qarTvelebs, arc som-
xebs, arc slavebs qristianobis
rwmena da erTguleba ar akliaT,
magram evropel xalxebs ver dae-
wien da gauTanaswordnen. kidev
ufro metad arian dakninebuli
mahmadiani xalxebi. magram am daq-
veiTeba-CamorCenis safuZveli sar-
wmunoeba ki ar aris, aramed mmar-
Tvelobis sistema. rogorc bizan-
tiaSi, ise saqarTvelo-somxeTSi
da slavur qveynebSi (miT ufro
mahmadianur saxelmwifoebSi)
mmarTvelobis sistema avtokrati-
uli, despoturi iyo, sadac yve-
laferi despotis (sulerTia, ra
erqva mas _ imperatori, mefe Tu
mTavari) neba-survils emorCile-
boda. ar arsebobda demokratiuli
mmarTvelobis arc erTi institu-
ti... avtokratiuli xelmwifis
morCilebam xalxi gadaaCvia az-
rovnebas, SeaZula paeqroba, daa-
viwya sxvisi gansxvavebuli azris
pativiscema. despotia ver itans
azrovnebis Tavisuflebas.
I `despotias sZuls warsu-
li, winaparTa naRvawi da naSro-
mi. yvela diqtatori istorias
Tavidan iwyebs. miaCnia, rom yvela-
feri misgan iRebs saTaves. rac ma-
namde iyo, uarsayofi da dasagmo-
bia. evropaSi ase ar aris, iq yo-
veli axali Taoba ganZad Tvlis
winaparTa danatovars. uvlis,
patronobs mas. Zvelze afuZnebs
axals da ase agrZelebs winsv-
las~.
I `evropuli Tavisufali az-
rovnebis wesi rom damkvidrebu-
liyo saqarTveloSi, upirvelesad
despoturi mmarTvelobisagan Ta-
vis daRweva iyo saWiro. magram
saqarTveloSi rusTa damkvidrebis
Semdegac, mmarTvelobis Tviseba-
buneba da xasiaTi ar Secvlila.
ruseTSic TviTmpyrobeloba iseve
ebrZoda azrovnebis Tavisuflebas,
rogorc Zvel bizantiaSi. amdenad,
sarwmunoebrivi erTianoba da er-
Tnairoba arafris garantias ar
iZleoda, mas formaluri mniSvne-
loba hqonda... igi qarTvelTa in-
teleqtualur cxovrebaSi ara-
fers cvlida... arada, kritikul
SexedulebaTa damkvidreba, sxvaTa
azrisadmi tolerantuli damoki-
debuleba urTulesi da uZnelesi
saqme iyo. uamisod ki xalxis in-
teleqtualuri Tavisufleba zRa-
pars ufro hgavda, vidre sinamd-
viles. xolo is xalxi, visi az-
rovnebac Tavisufali ar iyo, un-
da gamoTxoveboda yovelgvar po-
litikur, socialur, ekonomikur
progress~.
I `evropuli wesis Tvisebaa,
rom yoveli Taoba ganZad sTvlis
winaprebisagan gadmocemul simarT-
les da saunjes da zed TviTonac
bevrs amatebs, arTavs, aSenebs... yo-
veli axali Taoba yovlad uazro,
uzrdeli, utradicio, uecrad
spobs da lews winandeli Taobis
naSroms...
modiodnen CvenSi meTaurad vi-
Rac sruliad ucnobi da uzrde-
li kintoebi. aravin icoda, Tu
vin iyvnen, saidan mosuli, ra
rjulis an azris, saxeli ra er-
qvaT, gvari maTi ra iyo, rogori
warsuli hqondaT. `amboxeba da-
viwyoTo~ – daiZaxebdnen da yvela
maT gahyveboda, TiTqos Txas –
cxvris fara. WkuaSi aravis mosv-
lia, moeTxova maTgan an axsna, an
codna, an simtkice. ifarfaSebd-
nen, sanam gasaWiri ar moaxlovde-
boda da maSin ki moquslavdnen da
gahqrebodnen. ginaxavT sadme sxva
eri, ase mCated rom gahyolodes
provokators?~
I `ra dasamalia da, saqarTve-
los warsulSi bevri kargic yo-
fila da bevri avic, risi gaxsene-
bisas tanSi Jruanteli gvivlis.
sxvagvarad anki rogor SeiZlebo-
da. im xangrZliv brZolaSi, ro-
melsac Cveni xalxi eweoda, im
mravalsaukunovan monobaSi, rac
Tavs gadagvxdenia, visi an risi
kvali ar darCenila Cvens yofasa
da azrovnebaSi.
zogma qudi dagvitova, zogma
Sarvali. zogma sizante, zogma
orpiroba... xeiriani da magari bu-
neba rom ar gvqonoda, Cven sisx-
lSi rom is daundobeli da dauS-
reteli Zala ar mdgariyo, rome-
lic zogierT rCeul xalxs ukv-
davebas aZlevs, didi xania rac
dedamiwis piridan qarTvelebisa
da saqarTvelos xsenebac ki gaq-
reboda. yvelasgan imodena Cirqi
gvrgebia, yvelas CvenTvis imdeni
talaxi da mtveri moucxia, rom
sxva, ufro susti xalxi, kidec
daimarxeboda aqamdi am sisqe tla-
pos qveS... vin, romeli brZeni, is-
torikosi, an eTnografi gvetyvis
dRes, rogori iyo namdvili da
pirveldroindeli qarTvelebis
buneba, zne, xasiaTi, Tviseba? ra
SegvrCa Cven sakuTari an ra ga-
mogvyva da mogvedo sxvisi?..~
I `Cveni azriT, Tanamedrove-
oba, _ rogoric unda iyos igi, _
aris realuri movlena, ara Cveni
nebiT Seqmnili, ara Cveni brZane-
bis morCili. igi arsebuli faq-
tia. mogvwons es faqti Tu ara,
sulerTia, misi gauqmeba Cven ar
SegviZlia. mas Cven angariSi unda
gavuwioT. ar SegviZlia masze Tva-
li davxuWoT, SevwyvitoT misi
SegrZneba, maSinac ki, siraqlemas
rom mivbaZoT da Tavi davmaloT
saarqivo dokumentebSi. es cxov-
rebaa, es samyaroa, es yvelaferia.
rac gindaT TqviT da, Tanamedro-
veoba, misi bunebis mTeli arsebiT,
gviWers Cven Tavis TaTebSi, gvik-
ravs gulSi. nuTu, mxolod imi-
saTvis, rom igi ar mogvwons, ar
Seesatyviseba Cvens gagebasa da
idealebs, Cven SegviZlia movSor-
deT mas? ar unda gaveqceT? pira-
dad me ver vxedav aq sxva xsnas,
garda samarisa, magram amas ar
vTvli adamianis Rirsebis Sesafe-
ris gamosavlad. ramdenadac metad
es Tanamedroveoba ar gvexateba
gulze, miT ufro Zalian gvsurs
misi gaumjobeseba, miT ufro ax-
los unda SeviswavloT igi, misi
gamovlinebani, kanonebi, Zalebi,
cotad Tu bevrad mis svlaze ze-
moqmedebisaTvis...
Tanamedroveoba mkacria da
WuWyiani, myrali da mZvinvare,
magram aravis aqvs ufleba, amis
safuZvelze, Tavi gaiTavisuflos
misi gawmendisagan, misi asenizaci-
isagan. Torem, gasagebia, frakebSi
da TeTr xelTaTmanebSi yvelas
esiamovneba cxovrebis sasaxlis
gaprialebul parketze siaruli...~
I `Tu namdvilad giyvars Cve-
ni mamuli, Cven is unda gavaZli-
eroT, rogorc materialuris
mxriT _ samarTliani ekonomiu-
ris ganwyobilebis dafuZnebiT,
ise zneobiT _ misi gonebisa da
codnis gaumjobesebiT, is imedi
unda CavunergoT mas, romelic
Cven TviTon gvaqvs, im momavlis-
ken unda moubrunoT piri, rome-
lic Cven gvwams, im gzaze unda
davayenoT, romelmac yvela sxva
xalxi gaaZliera da gaabedniera.
marto is xalxiao Rirsi bednie-
rebis, sTqva viqtor hiugom, ro-
melic momavals SeCerebia; da
vinc marto warsuls Secqeris,
is samares iTxriso...
marto Cveni Tavis imedi viqo-
nioT, marto Cvens Zalas miven-
doT, marto Cvens gaZlierebasa
da ganaTlebaze viSromoT,, maSin
megobaric bevri gauCndeba Cvens
xalxs da damxmarebelic. ...nu da-
viviwyebT, rom Cveni qveynis saxe-
li, sikeTe da momavali Cvens sa-
kuTar saqcielzea damokidebuli.
nu gaurevT brZolaSi nurc avaza-
kobas, nurc simxdales, nu veZi-
ebT pirad sargeblobas, nu davi-
viwyebT urTierT daxmarebis sa-
Wiroebas, nu davimalviT soroSi,
maSin, Cveni gonieri, wesieri da
patiosani saqcieli maRla aswevs
saqarTvelos saxels da mtersa
da moyvares daanaxvebs, rom Cveni
xalxi siyvarulis, pativiscemis,
moridebis da keTildReobis Rir-
sia...~
I `qveynis politikas _ ro-
gorc mis bunebis namdvil Zalebs
_ adamianis, xalxis survili ki
ara, am qveynis geografiuli mde-
bareoba sWeds. politika axali
moduri Sliapka ki araa, romlis
cvla Cvens qeifze hkidia, iseTi-
ve tradiciuli, ucvleli, mama-
papuri ganZia, rogorc ena, erov-
neba, sarwmunoeba. sanam Savi
zRvidan gasavali srute osma-
los xelSia, sanam samxreTiT
osmaleTi da sparseTi gvakravs,
aRmosavleTiT _ leki da TaTa-
ri, CrdiloeTiT _ rusi, bevri
rom viwrialoT, im politikas
ver avcdebiT, romelic aurCevi-
aT saqarTvelos uaRres gmirebs,
bevri cdis, Zebnis da msxverplis
Semdeg, ukeTesi rom SesaZlo yo-
filiyo, gana maT daemaleboda?..
saZebni gza CvensaviT daxSuli
rodi hqondaT, mTeli qveyana mi-
movles maTma elCebma, samefo ar-
sad darCeniaT, romelTanac mo-
laparakeba ar gaemarTaT, daax-
loveba saqarTvelos saxsnelad
ar ecadaT. sanam saboloo gzas
daadgebodnen, sanam gvirgvins
eris arsebobas Seswiravdnen, yo-
veli saSualeba sinjes, yoveli
RonisZieba ixmares; TviT sarwmu-
noebis Secvlasac Sehpirdnen
romis paps da fridrix dids.
ucremlod ver gadaikiTxavs kaci
am sami saukunis mecadineobis
aRweras matianeSi. rac amdens,
amisTana Taobas augia, aucileb-
lad ucvniaT, imas erTi jgufi,
gind erTi Taoba ver Sescvlis.
sanam osmalos, an sparseTis ad-
gils romelime sxva rassa an me-
foba ar daiWers, saqarTvelosT-
vis araviTari sxva politika ar
iarsebebs, imis garda, romliTac
xelmZRvanelobdnen, iZulebiT,
saqarTvelos ugonieresi patro-
nebi: aleqsandre kaxeli, aleq-
sandre imereli, vaxtang kanonm-
debi, Teimuraz meore, solomon
didi, didi erekle. ra Zalam da
aucileblobam es mdevebi gaste-
xa, is axlac ucvlelad arse-
bobs, mas verc Cven movereviT.
rogorc unayofod, ukvalod,
usaxelod daiRupa yoveli saxsa-
ri, maT dros sxvas rame mizni-
saken mimarTuli, isreve wyal-
waRebulia yvela sxva mecadineo-
baze naxmari saSualeba. bunebis
winaaRmdeg yoveli cda amaoa da
sastikad isjeba~.
mmooaammzzaaddaa
g. WavWavaZem
`ulmobeli ssaqmis kkaci~epizodebi niko nikolaZis cxovrebidan
21saerTo gazeTi#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria
cnobili reJisori, qarTuli ki-
nos patriarqi, uxucesTa darba-
zis Tavmjdomare batoni rezoCxeiZe. igi 86 wlis asakSi aq-
tiurad monawileobs qveyanaSi
mimdinare procesebSi da raRac
gadamdebi imedianobiT yveba imis
Sesaxeb, rac iyo, rac aris da
rac iqneba.
_`dResac Tvalwin midgas de-
daCemis sevdiT daRaruli saxe,
romelsac mamis dapatimrebis Sem-
deg, Tvalze cremli ar SeSrobia.
sicocxlis bolo wuTamde eloda
mamaCems an Tundac raime imedis-
momcem cnobas misi amqveyniuri
arsebobis Taobaze, magram uSede-
god _ ramdenime wlis winaT lo-
diniT gadaRlili deda imedgada-
wuruli gaecala am wuTisofels
da samareSi Caitana gaunelebeli
kaeSani~.
am sityvebiT iwyeba wigni, dia
Cianelis `Txzulebebi~, romelic
batonma rezom masTan saxlSi
stumrobisas misaxsovra. es man
mSoblebis naTel xsovnas uZRvna.
didi reJisoris mama, daviT Cxei-
Ze (mwerlobaSi dia Cianelad
cnobili) qarTuli inteligenci-
is erT-erTi SesaniSnavi warmo-
madgeneli gaxldaT.
_ batono rezo, Tqven repre-
sirebulis ojaxidan brZandebiT,
mamaTqveni 37 wels daxvrites. im
mZime Jams, albaT yvela eridebo-
da aseTi ojaxebis mimarT yu-
radRebas, rogori iyo Tqveni bav-
Svoba~?
_ rasakvirvelia, mZime bavSvo-
ba mqonda Tumca Cvens ojaxs na-
Tesavebis da axloblebis yu-
radReba ar mogvklebia. Cemi dei-
dis meuRle iyo cnobili mwera-
li demna Sengelaia, xSiri stuma-
ri iyo cnobili mxatvari mose
ToiZe. Cvens daoblebul ojaxs
cixe-simagresaviT Semoekvrnen ma-
maCemis mxridan naTesavebi: CxeiZe-
ebi, wereTlebi, maWavarianebi, ga-
buniebi, kandelakebi. totaluri
ekonomikuri gaWirvebisa da Sim-
Silobis dros es adamianebi saku-
Tar mwir lukmas gvitovebdnen.
marTlac kontrastuli epoqa gax-
ldaT, sadac erT adamianSi SeiZ-
leboda Tanabrad earseba rogorc
mkvlels, aseve sasikvdilod gan-
wirulis gadamrCens, maSin bevrma
adamianma gamoiCina sulmdabloba
da maTi dasmeniT uamravi udanaSa-
ulo aRmoCnda satusaRos ked-
lebSi, mamaCemis wminda saxe ki
Seumcdarad miikvlevda gzas ur-
Tulesi cxovrebisken.
axlac, roca oTxmoc wels
gadavcdi da lamis asakiT orjer
ufrosi var mamaCemze, xSirad
warmomidgeba xolme misi naTeli
saxe, romelic dResac Wkuas ma-
rigebs da adamianebisadmi meti
siTbosa da siyvarulis gaRebisa-
ken momiwodebs. misi xsovnis ukv-
davsayofad, Cems mSobliur quTa-
isSi, im adgilze, sadac adamia-
nebs xvretdnen, pirobiTi safla-
vi gavakeTeT. maSin daxvrites
cnobili akademikosis, irakli
WumburiZis mama, tyibulis raiko-
mis mdivani laferaZe da mamaCemi
dia Cianeli.
_ kontrastuli epoqa iyoo,
brZaneT, dRevandel dros xom ar
SeadarebdiT im avadsaxsenebel
dros?
_ Zalian bevri msgavsebaa. me
araviTari pirovnuli ar mainte-
resebs, rodesac laparakia Cvens
dRevandel prezidentze, me war-
movadgen qarTuli kinematografi-
is wiaRidan wamosul adamians ub-
ralod mainteresebs, rodesac Re-
bulobdnen gadawyvetilebas, rom
qarTuli kino faqtobrivad moes-
poT, riTi xelmZRvanelobda xe-
lisufleba? me SemiZlia maTema-
tikurad davumtkico maT, rom es
ar iyo finansuri mdgomareobis
gamo. rogor SeiZleba ganadgure-
buliyo qarTuli kino, Cveni stu-
dia msoflios kinematografistTa
mowinaveTa rigebSi iyo. qarTuli
filmi moxseniebulia franguli
da amerikuli kinos gverdiT. am
dargis da ara marto am dargis
ganviTareba iyo Cveni qveynisTvis
prioriteti, saerTod kultura,
xelovneba, Teatri, mwerloba iyo
wina planze. gansakuTrebiT minda
aRvniSno, am mxriv, batoni edu-
ard SevardnaZis damsaxureba,
radgan igi yovelTvis mzad iyo
daxmarebisTvis. swored im peri-
odSi iyo didi miRwevebi am sfe-
roSi. 37 weli viyavi kinostudi-
is direqtori da man mogvca sa-
Sualeba xelovnebis warmomadgen-
lebs emuSavaT Tavisufali Segne-
biT. gamodioda gazeTi `qarTuli
filmi~, mas jixurebSi ver iSo-
vidiT. ver davasaxeleb scenars,
films, rom xelisuflebas gaeCe-
rebinos. ver davasaxeleb verc
erT Sexvedras, Tundac moskovSi,
sakavSiro kinemataografiis sami-
nistroSi, romelime qarTuli
filmisTvis ar miecaT dafinanse-
ba. maxsovs, rodesac moskovSi sa-
qarTvelodan Casuli viyaviT re-
Jisorebi, xelovnebis warmomad-
genlebi, scenaristebi, erT-erT
Sexvedraze centraluri televi-
ziis mTavarma redaqtorma gviTx-
ra _`im romans, Tu dadgamTo~, _
saubari iyo `daTa TuTaSxiaze~
da Cven es genialuri nawarmoebi
arc erTs wakiTxuli ar gvqonda.
amas imitom vixseneb, rom aseTi
damokidebuleba iyo Cveni qveynis
mwerlobisa da kulturis mimarT.
`daTa TuTaSxia~ rodesac cent-
raluri televiziiT gadioda, ma-
Sin, moskovSi da ruseTis did qa-
laqebSi bevrad naklebi danaSau-
li xdeboda Turme, es maSindel
presaSi iwereboda yvela am Sesa-
niSnav films uyurebda. am didi
warmatebis matarebelma Cemi
cxovrebis liandagebze gadaiara,
es recepti axlac udaod qmedi-
Tia. Tqven warmoidgineT, maSin
qarTuli kinos Sesaqmnelad muSa-
obdnen ara marto scenaristebi
da reJisorebi, aramed CarTuli
iyo mTeli qveynis inteligencia.
iseT adamianebsac naxavdiT Cven
studiaSi, visac kinosTan Sexeba
ar hqondaT.
_ batono rezo, inteligencia
Cvens qveyanaSi yvela droSi did
rols asrulebda, dRes, rodesac
aseT mZime mdgomareobaSi aRmovCn-
diT, bevri cnobili adamiani Riad
acxadebs, rom politikaSi ar ve-
revio...
_ axla ganze dgoma qveynis
Ralatia. es xelisufleba pir-
dapir qarTul suls ebrZvis. qu-
TaisSi, daviT aRmaSeneblis ad-
gilze, ver gavige ra dadges. es
bavSvebis mier plastelinisgan
gakeTebul gaurkvevel figurebs
magonebs. rom SeeZloT bagratis
taZarsac aiRebdnen da amas rom
ver axerxeben, amitom undaT da-
amaxinjon bagratis taZari. arse-
bobs cneba civilizacia, bagra-
tis taZari civilizaciis erT-
erTi Zeglia. es aris `vefxis-
tyaosani~ qarTvelebisTvis, vin
misca maT damaxinjebis ufleba?
aranairi gegma ar hqondaT,
es eklesia ekuTvnis ers da
ers miayenes tkivili. verc
erTi avadmyofoba ver miaye-
nebs amden tkivils adamians.
patriarqma Tqva, rom es qar-
Tuli sulis winaaRmdeg
brZolaao. rogor bedaven
patriarqTan kamaTs! roca
quTaisSi Cavdivar, pirvelad
bagratis taZarSi mivdivar.
mZRols rom vuTxari Camiy-
vane-meTqi, iq mivdivarTo,
miTxra, ver vicani. taZarTan
aris vasil amaSukelis sax-
li. es kinos muzeumi iyo, iq
saSineleba xdeba, isea gave-
ranebuli. eseni nacionalebi
ar arian, eseni antinaciona-
lebi arian. Tqven rogor
fiqrobT, daviT aRmaSeneblis
Zegli TbilisSi da quTaisSi
SemTxveviT aiRes qalaqis cent-
ridan? rame danaSauli miuZRvis
daviT aRmaSenebels qarTveli
xalxis winaSe? ase daangries
araCveulebrivi monumenti quTa-
isSi, igi qarTul meomrul sul-
ze iyo Seqmnili, vaxtang meeqv-
sidan dawyebuli, didi samamulo
omiT damTavrebuli. eseni swo-
red amas ebrZvian. maxsovs, ame-
rikaSi qarTuli kinos kvireuli
iyo, iq 40 filmi CavitaneT.
erT-erTma amerikelma mkiTxa,
raSia saqme, ra monawileoba
gaqvT miRebuli omSi, ratom ga-
daiReT `jariskacis mamao~? me
vupasuxe: `Tqven, ase didi qveya-
na xarT da sul 300 aTasi ada-
miani dakargeT am omSi, Cven ki,
Zalian mcirericxovanma qveyanam
460 aTasi davkargeT-meTqi. im
memorialis dangreva micvale-
bulTa Seuracxyofaa, es saqme
jojoxeTTan miaxlovebaa, SeiZ-
leba yvelafers erovnuls ase
xelaRebiT ebrZode? rac qveyana-
Si xdeba, amis Soridan yureba
swored rom Ralatia, amitom
davdivar arCevnebis win, me, 86
wlis rezo CxeiZe dRes TiTqmis
yvela regionSi kardakar da
adamianebs movuwodeb, SiSi
dasZlion. warmoudgeneli siRa-
takea soflad, xalxi daSinebu-
lia, soflis gamgebeli specia-
lurad dagvyveboda, xalxi rom
ar gamosuliyo CvenTan Sesaxved-
rad. aseTi gamgeblebis dRes
xalxs ar unda eSinodes. eseni
aucileblad unda wavidnen da
amitom biZina ivaniSvils yvela
gverdiT unda davudgeT, rom ga-
davarCinoT qveyana da am rwmeniT
rom viqnebiT SiSsac davZlevT.
SiSTan dakavSirebiT erTi faqti
gamaxsenda. 2003 wels lomebTan
erTad aRmovCndi cirkSi. Camosu-
li iyo moskoveli mwvrTvneli n.
skvirski. meore ganyofileba
lomebis atraqcions ekava. iyo
didi mzadeba. konferansiem gamo-
acxada, rom adamianebs, Seewyvi-
taT yovelgvari moZraoba. lome-
bi amaze Riziandebiano. iyo daZa-
buloba. lomi! lomia! rodesac
speqtakli dasrulda n. skvirs-
kim gamoacxada, rom darbazSi im-
yofeba cnobili reJisori rezo
CxeiZe da vTxov mas Semovides
lomebis galiaSio! yvela gaSeS-
da, mayurebeli eloda Cems ga-
dawyvetilebas. CemTan erTad iyo
Cemi meuRle da SviliSvili ni-
no, igi 4 wlis iyo, meuRlem ga-
mamxneva: `Sedi galiaSio~, mec
bevri aRar mifiqria. am dros
mTavari is iyo, rom Cemi patara
SviliSvilis winaSe ar Sevrcx-
veniliyavi da mec daviZari lo-
mebisken... iyo didi taSi! iyo mo-
locvebi.
Cveni SviliSvilebis winaSe
rom ar SevrcxveT, imitom unda
davZlioT SiSi, rom momavalma
Taobebma Rirseul qveyanaSi ic-
xovron.
radgan am qveyanaSi yvela, did
samamulo omSi gmirulad daRupu-
li `Rimilis biWebic~ Seuracx-
yofilia, omidan cocxlad dabru-
nebuli `bolokac~ da `jariska-
cis mamac~, romlebic mcire pen-
siiT Zlivs miaTreven am wuTiso-
fels.
erTi aseTi SeWirvebuli ka-
cisTvis, Tavisi pensiis daTmoba
rom gadauwyvetia baton rezos
da saWiro cnobis asaRebad samsa-
xurSi rom misula, swored maSin
gaugia, rom igi samsaxuridan ga-
Tavisuflebuli yofila...
amas winaT, saqarTveloSi
`iuneskos~ arqiteqtori, 84 wl-
is italieli andrea bruno iyo
stumrad Camosuli bagratis taZ-
ris aRdgenis sakiTxTan atexili
xmauris gamo, sxva, ucxoeli, sak-
maod gamocdili da didi praqti-
kis mqone, mxcovani adamianis azrs
iTvaliswineben nacionalebi, saku-
Tari qveynis saxelovan Svils ki
_ rogorc batoni rezo CxeiZea,
mis damsaxurebas angariSsac ki ar
uweven, arada, batoni rezo Cxei-
Zis sibrZne da gonebrivi SesaZ-
leblobebi am asakSic gacilebiT
mets iwonis, vidre erTad aRebu-
li nacionalebis gamrudebuli
goneba. da amitom, ivlis didi xe-
lovani saarCevno maraTonze, da
ivlis manam, sanam Cveni qveyana ci-
vilizebul samyaroSi sapatio ad-
gils ar daimkvidrebs.
nana sulava
me, 86 wlis rezo CxeiZe, TiTqmis yvela regionSi kardakar davdivar da
adamianebs movuwodeb, rom SiSi daZlion
22 saerTo gazeTi #30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
am kiTxvebs
pasuxi unda gaeces
mainc, ratom daxvrita Sevar-
dnaZem eklesiis msaxuri?
aris meore kiTxvac _ saqarT-
velos eklesiam ratom ar gamoxa-
ta sakuTari pozicia, arc maSin
da arc SemdgomSi?
Tqma ar unda, mama Teodores
SevardnaZem e.w. TanamSromloba
SesTavaza, raTa qarTuli eklesi-
is mesveurebi daebezRebina da Sem-
dgomSi ZirgamomTxreli muSaoba
ganegrZo. kidev? kidev _ brali
daedo TviTmfrinavis gamtacebel
axalgazrdebisaTvis, rogorc
mowmes, raTa SevardnaZis sasa-
marTlos gacilebiT myari alibe-
bi hqonoda! kidev?
qarTuli eklesiisTvis gaewia
cudi samsaxuri, diskreditacia,
rom aseTi didi damnaSaveebi iyv-
nen mis rigebSi!
meore kiTxvas pasuxs ver gav-
cem. mas TviT eklesiis meTaureb-
ma upasuxon! arada, adre Tu gvi-
an, am kiTxvas viRacam xom unda
gasces pasuxi? xom unda Tqvas sa-
qarTvelos sinodma _ marTali
gaxldaT Tu ara mama Teodore?
jamSi, mama Teodores daxvre-
tiT SevardnaZem kidev erTxel
daanaxva msoflios, rom sabWoTa
kavSirSi anu ruseTSi, marTlma-
dideblur qveyanaSi, SesaZlebelia
ara mxolod ubralo adamianebis
devna-likvidacia, aramed TviT ek-
lesiis msaxurTa daxvreta, rac
lenin-stalinis tiraniis logi-
kuri gagrZelebaa!
iseve, rogorc 9 aprilis
tragediam, TviTmfrinavis gamta-
cebelTa da maTi viTom meTauris
_ beri Teodores daxvretam, di-
di roli iTamaSa sabWoTa kavSi-
ris daSlaSi.
isev vubrundebi (Zalian mok-
led) daskvnebs, rac miiRo saqar-
Tvelos ssr umaRlesi sabWos q.
TbilisSi 1989 wlis 9 aprils
momxdari ambebis garemoebaTa ga-
momkvlevma komisiam (Tavmjdomare
Tamaz SavguliZe, profesori!):
`komisiis mier ucxoeTis pre-
sis detalurma Seswavlam dagva-
naxva, rom saboloo angariSSi igi
bevrad ufro miukerZoeblad aSu-
qebda Tbilisis tragedias, vidre
sakavSiro presa.
saqarTvelos realuri damou-
kideblobis ideas mxars uWers ga-
mokiTxulTa 89 procenti.
9 aprilis tragediis Semdeg
xalxis uaryofiTi damokidebule-
ba samxedro Zalebzec gavrcelda.
gamokiTxulTa 82 procentis az-
riT, sabWoTa armia ar emsaxureba
Tavisi xalxis interesebs.
9 aprilis movlenebi qarT-
veli xalxis cnobierebaSi da-
kavSirebulia centralur da
adgilobriv xelisuflebasTan,
rus xalxTan, demokratizaciisa
da konstituciis dacvis ideeb-
Tan.
mitingis barbarosuli darbeva
mkveTr, uaryofiT damokidebule-
bas iwvevs momwyobTa mimarT. aseT
instanciad xalxma centraluri
xelisufleba, saqarTvelos xeli-
sufleba da sabWoTa armia CaTva-
la.
9 aprilis tragediisaTvis pa-
suxismgebloba, gamokiTxulTa az-
riT, unda daekisros partiis cen-
tralur xelmZRvanelobas (81%),
samxedro xelisuflebas (71%) da
saqarTvelos xelisuflebas
(55%).
9 aprili, uwinares yovlisa,
oficialuri ideologiis katast-
rofaa, romelic Seesabameboda
diqtatoruli reJimis ideologi-
as da romelic eyrdnoboda diq-
tats, azris monopolias da dema-
gogias.
9 aprilis tragediam cxadyo,
rom sabWoTa sinamdvileSi jer
kidev Zlieradaa gamjdari to-
talitaruli reJimisaTvis Cveu-
li azri, romlis mixedviTac an-
tisabWouri mowodeba an sityva
ufro did danaSaulad iTvleba,
vidre pirovnebis winaaRmdeg mi-
marTuli Zaladoba. arsebuli re-
Jimis nebismier fasad SenarCune-
bis ideologia faqtobrivad ugu-
lebelyofs konstituciiT aRi-
arebul Zireul princips, romlis
mixedviTac sabWoTa kavSiri Tavi-
sufal respublikaTa nebayoflo-
biTi kavSiria. aseTi ideologiis
mimdevarni umZimes saxelmwifoeb-
riv danaSaulad Tvlian im azrsac
ki, rom romelime mokavSire res-
publikam daayenos sakiTxi kons-
tituciis saTanado muxlis gamo-
yenebiT ssr kavSiris farglebidan
gasvlis Sesaxeb.
9 aprilis tragediis erT-er-
Ti umZimesi politikuri Sedegi
is aris, rom xalxs mkveTrad da-
upirispirda armia, romelic ara-
qarTveli jariskacebiT iyo da-
kompleqtebuli.
komisias aucileblad miaCnia
daiSalos is samxedro SenaerTi,
romelmac ganaxorciela TbilisSi
sabWoTa armiisaTvis Seuferebeli
barbarosuli aqcia.
sabolood komisia askvnis:
9 aprils q. TqilisSi Cadeni-
li danaSauli erT-erTi umZimesia
sabWoTa qveynis istoriaSi. mas
damsjeli operaciis xasiaTi aqvs,
warmoadgens udanaSaulo ad-
amianTa winaswar organizebul ma-
sobriv xocva-Jletas, Cadenils
gansakuTrebuli sisastikiT da ak-
rZaluli qimiuri nivTierebebis
gamoyenebiT. igi Seicavs saerTa-
Soriso danaSauls, kerZod, adami-
anurobis winaaRmdeg Cadenili da-
naSaulis niSnebs~.
maS, ar aris saocreba?
erTi SexedviT, garegnulad,
sabWoTa kavSirma moWra is toti,
romelzedac ijda, anu sakuTari
Tavis winaaRmdeg moawyo gaugona-
ri, Tavisave TavisaTvis sruliad
gaumarTlebeli provokacia, dai-
samara xvalindeli dRe!
sabWoTa kavSiris verc erTi
mteri ver inatrebda amgvar ope-
racias. verasgziT ver Caifiqrebd-
nen da miT umetes, ver ganaxorci-
elebdnen!
yovelive es Cinebulad moa-
xerxa SevardnaZe-gorbaCovma da
kargad mozrdili ormo, ufro
sworad samare gauTxares sabWoTa
kavSiris arsebobas.
evroamerikis da
gorbaCov-SSevardnaZis
upirvelesi problema
dReis amas iqiT, gorbaCov-Se-
vardnaZis upirveles problemad
ukve zviad gamsaxurdia iqca.
mkiTxvels vTxov kidev erTxel
gaisigrZeganos, _ ra saSinel,
bnel ZalasTan mouxda Sejaxeba
zviad gamsaxurdias...
SevardnaZe cofs hyrida imis
gamoc, rom saqarTveloSi Catare-
bul arCevnebSi erovnulma Zalam
gaimarjva, xolo iman, rom zviad
gamsaxurdia prezidentad 87 pro-
centma airCia, mTlad gadaria da
sigiJemde miiyvana.
garda amisa, mas msoflio uf-
rosoba sayvedurobda, rom Zalis-
xmevas iSurebda, rom uswrafesad
unda emoqmeda, sanam gamsaxurdia
Tavs moimagrebda!
arada, msoflio, saqarTvelos
mTavrobis win e.w. opoziciis mit-
ingebis fonze, iZulebuli Seiqna
nel-nela daewyo Tavisufali res-
publikis aRiareba.
1990 wlis 14 noembers Tbi-
lisSi Catarda saqarTvelos uze-
naesi sabWos sxdoma, romelzedac
sityva warmoTqva jer kidev uze-
naesi sabWos Tavmjdomarem zviad
gamsaxurdiam.
gTavazobT nawyvetebs am ga-
mosvlidan:
`Cven udidesi madloba unda
mivagoT yvela qarTvels, da sa-
qarTvelos erTgul yvela mo-
qalaqes, romlebmac monawileoba
miiRes winasaarCevno brZolaSi,
iRvawes da gaisarjnen erovnuli
Zalebis gamarjvebisaTvis, rameTu
es gamarjveba demokratiis gamar-
jvebaa~.
`Cvendami opoziciurad dapi-
rispirebuli banakidan gaismis mo-
wodeba, TiTqos Cven saqarTvelo
dauyovnebliv unda gamovacxadoT
koloniur qveynad, rac ar migvaC-
nia marTebulad, vinaidan msof-
lio istorias ar axsovs kolo-
niuri statusis mqone qveyana, sa-
dac Catarebuliyos Tavisufali,
mravalpartiuli arCevnebi da es
qveyana amis Semdegac koloniad
darCeniliyo. koloniuri TviT-
mmarTveloba yovelTvis metropo-
lias niSnavs... sxva sakiTxia sa-
qarTvelos cnoba okupirebul
qveynad~.
`Cven vibrZviT adamianis uf-
lebaTa dacvisaTvis, samarTlebri-
vi saxelmwifos CamoyalibebisaT-
vis. Cveni saxelmwifo wyobileba
unda emyarebodes saerTaSoriso
samarTlis sayovelTaod aRiare-
bul normebs, gaeros adamianis
uflebaTa dacvis sayovelTao dek-
laracias, helsinkis da venis sa-
er-TaSoriso SeTanxmebebs, raTa
qmediTi RonisZiebani ganxorciel-
des moqalaqeTa garantiebis dasam-
kvidreblad... sabWoTa periodSi
saqarTvelo gamocxadda erovneba-
Ta Serwymisa da difuziis Tavise-
bur laboratoriad (es, ra Tqma
unda, SevardnaZis damsaxurebad
unda CaiTvalos. _ j.d.).
`aucilebelia aRdges tradi-
ciuli formebi soflis meurneo-
bisa (rac SevardnaZem mTlianad
gaanadgura! _ j.d.) tradiciuli
formebis (ris gagonebac zafravs
da acofebs e.w. liberalur de-
mokratias! _ j.d.) ZiriTadi aq-
centi unda gakeTdes mevenaxeobaze
(rac dRes ZlivsRa iTqvams suls!
_ j.d.), mecxoveleobaze da marc-
vleuli kulturebis ganviTare-
baze... ukanasknel xanebSi gaZli-
erda sabotaJis faqtebic, kolme-
urneobebi da sabWoTa meurneobebi
didi raodenobiT abareben pi-
rutyvs sasaklaoebs da xorckom-
binatebs, yidian manqanebs da sxva
teqnikas (es ambavi Semdgom ufro
gaZlierda, raTa saqarTvelo Seg-
nebulad gaeRatakebinaT da amas
saTaveSi edga eduard SevardnaZe!
_ j.d.)~.
`Cven vafrTxilebT yvelas,
marTalia Cven gamovacxadeT erov-
nuli Serigeba da Semwynarebloba,
rom aravis ganvikiTxavT warsuli
codvebisaTvis, magram vinc amieri-
dan daupirispirdeba ganaxlebis
process isev korufciiT, speku-
laciiT da sabotaJiT gaamwvavebs
viTarebas, pasuxs agebs erisa da
kanonis winaSe~.
`unda aRvniSnoT, rom Cven
damnaSaveobas vTvliT socialur
problemad, vinaidan mas warmo-
Sobs maxinji social-politikuri
wyobileba, romelSic vcxovrob-
diT wlebis manZilze. religiis
ganadgureba, zneobis dacema, su-
lieri idealebis miviwyeba da ga-
uareseba _ ai, damnaSaveobis namd-
vili sawyisebi. danaSaulis aR-
mofxvris, socialuri harmoniis
damyarebis erTaderTi gza icis
civilizebulma kacobriobam, es
aris religiis aRorZineba, axal-
gazrdobis swori aRzrda, zneo-
brivi idealebis damkvidreba sa-
zogadoebaSi~.
`gadaudebelia ganaTlebis
sistemis radikaluri reforma.
saswrafod unda gadaisinjos,
unda gavauqmoT yovlad usargeb-
lo da zedmeti disciplinebi
e.w. ssr kavSiris istoria, mar-
qsizm-leninizmi, socialisturi
politekonomia, e.w. sazogadoe-
baTmcodneoba, dialeqtikuri da
istoriuli materializmi da
sxvani. unda aRvadginoT saqarT-
velos istoria da geografiis
srulfasovani swavleba, unda
gafarTovdes religiuri swavle-
ba, Seiqmnas sakvirao, samrevlo
skolebi da Teologiuri fakul-
tetebi umaRles saswavlebl-
ebSi~.
`Zvirfaso megobrebo! Cveni
samarTliani brZola Tavisufle-
bisa da damoukideblobisaTvis
msoflios yuradRebis centrSia.
de icodes yvelam, rom Cven vibr-
ZodiT da vibrZviT Cveni winapre-
bis religiuri da erovnuli ide-
alebis aRorZinebisaTvis, rameTu
saqarTvelos didi misia daakisra
gangebam. qarTveli eri arnaxuli
wamebiT vidoda istoriis eklian
gzaze. igi zneobisa da samarTli-
anobis qomagi iyo mudamJams. man
xorci gaswira sulisaTvis, man
WeSmaritebis msaxureba daisaxa
Tavis uzenaes miznad, risTvisac
mravalgzis ewama da igvema barba-
rosTagan, warmarTTagan, magram
man gamoiara istoriis golgoTa
(romelSic kvlav Segvabrunes
1991-1992 wlebidan! _ j.d.), ra-
Ta damdgariyo Jami misi aRdgomi-
sa, misi gabrwyinebisa msoflios
xalxTa winaSe, raTa kacobrioba
eziaros naTels saqarTvelosas
RvTiT momadlebuls. ar aris
Sors is dro, rodesac saqarTve-
lo iqceva zneobrivi sidiadis ma-
galiTad msoflios xalxebisaT-
vis... Zvirfaso megobrebo! Cveni
moZraoba uwinares yovlisa, re-
ligiuri moZraobaa, rameTu re-
ligiis gareSe ar arsebobs WeSma-
riti erovnuli aRorZineba, ami-
tomac aris dRes erTad Cveni eri
da Cveni eklesia. Cven vebrZviT
uRmerTobisa da usamarTlobis
ukuneT Rames. qarTveli eri ar
wava barabas gziT, uRmerTobis,
avazakobis, terorizmis gziT.
qarTveli eris gza saTnoebis
gzaa, siyvarulis gzaa, qristes
gzaa~.
yovelive zemoTqmulis gamo
da kidev mravali ambis gamo, aSS-
s prezidenti, mama buSi 1991
wlis dekemberSi mTeli msofli-
os gasagonad ganacxadebs:
`zviad gamsaxurdia dinebis
sawinaaRmdegod micuravs!~
ratom? ratom micuravda zvi-
ad gamsaxurdia `dinebis sawinaaR-
mdegod~?
mware gakveTilebievroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo
ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666
jemal davlianiZe
gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.
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es kiTxva mravaljer daismeba
Cvens wignSi da amitom, manam me
gavcem pasuxs, Tqvenc, Cemo mkiTx-
velebo, ifiqreT. aba vnaxoT, daem-
Txveva Tu ara Cveni pasuxebi!
kavkasiam unda
iarsebos, oRond _
maradiulad mijaWvulma!
rogorc vTqvi _ zviad gamsa-
xurdiam icoda, rasac umzadebdnen
da jer kidev 1991 wlis saax-
alwlo mimarTvaSi, romelic te-
leviziiT gadaica, ganacxada:
`moaxdina Tu ara moskovSi mim-
dinare procesebma raime zegavlena
Cvens Sinaur politikaze? ar aris
dasamali, rom bevri miTqma-moTqma
gamoiwvia SevardnaZis gadadgomam.
amasTan dakavSirebiT, Cven gan-
vacxadeT, rom am gadadgomas ver
mivcemT saTanado Sefasebas, sanam
igi dakmayofilebuli ar iqneba
centraluri xelmZRvanelobis mi-
er. maSin SeiZleba vifiqroT, rom
es aris garkveuli manevri, raTa
mas Seuqmnan kidev didi avtorite-
ti, aamaRlon misi popularoba da
Semdeg scadon misi meSveobiT sa-
qarTvelos Sinaur saqmeebSi Careva
da SesaZloa misi Camoyvanac saqar-
TveloSi, rasac Cven, rasakvirve-
lia saTanado Sefasebas mivcemT,
rodesac saWiro iqneba~ (gaz. `sa-
qarTvelos respublika~, #1, 1991
w., 1 ianvari).
yvelaze saxifaTod e.w. wamyva-
ni qveynebis didma Tanamegobrobam
zviad gamsaxurdias mier kavkasiis
xalxebis gaerTianebis mcdeloba
CaTvala.
msoflios Zvelma imperiebma,
Tavis droze Seqmnes promeTeosis
miTi, romlis mixedviT, promeTe
(qarTulad amirani!) mudam mijaW-
vuli unda iyos, cocxali iqneba,
oRond dabmuli! misi aSveba, anu
kavkasiis Tavisufleba uZvelesma
imperiebma ukve saukuneebis miRma
uaryofiTad gadawyvites!
aRmoCnda, rom oci saukunis
Semdegac mTeli msoflios e.w. wam-
yvani qveynebic TavianT winamorbed-
Ta msgavsadve fiqrobdnen.
1991 wlis gazafxulze zviad
gamsaxurdiam oficialurad mimar-
Ta kavkasiis xalxebs (gazeTi `sa-
qarTvelos respublika~, #57,
1991 w. 23 marti):
`kavkasia unikaluri, msoflio
mniSvnelobis fenomenia Tavisi mra-
valferovnebiT, TavisTavadi kul-
turebiT, erebs Soris urTierTo-
bis myarad Camoyalibebuli tradi-
ciebiT, ganumeorebeli istoriiT,
landSaftiT, floriTa da fauniT.
sxvadasxva warmoSobisa da sxva-
dasxva sarwmunoebis kavkasiel
xalxebs Soris eTnikuri siZulvi-
li, e.w. `eTnokonfliqtebi~, am er-
Ta Tanaarsebobis manZilze ucxo
iyo... kavkasieli xalxebi ise mox-
erxebulad gadahkides erTmaneTs,
rom amJamad kavkasiaSi mcxovreb
TiTqmis yovel xalxs imperiis mi-
er Tavsdatexili yvela ubedure-
bis mizezi mis gverdiT mcxovrebi
sxva xalxi hgonia. amgvari boroti
xerxebiT erTmaneTs wakidebul
xalxTa Soris urTierToba ukve
saxifaTod aris daZabuli. maT So-
ris mtrobas TandaTan aRviveben,
zogan sisxlic iRvreba, centri ki
mosyiduli informaciis saSuale-
bebiT mTel msoflios `umtki-
cebs~, uCvenod es `veluri da ka-
ciWamia~ kavkasielebi erTmaneTs
mospobeno, Tanac msoflios umala-
ven imas, rom kavkasiel xalxebs
uZvelesi kultura da humanuri
tradiciebi gaaCniaT da surT isi-
ni `tuzemcebad~ ar gamoacxadon
(imis mtkicebaSi, rom kavkasielebi
`velurebi da kaciWamiebi~ varT,
eduard SevardnaZe upirvelesi
gaxldaT! _ j.d.).
Zvirfaso kavkasielebo!
droa gons movegoT! nu gavebme-
viT Cvens sazianod dagebul maxe-
Si! movigonoT Cveni didebuli wi-
naprebis sibrZne da SorsmWvrete-
loba! aRvadginoT Zmoba, urTierT-
pativiscema da ndoba. nebismieri
kavkasieli xalxis bedi, yvela kav-
kasielis mSvidobian Tanacxovre-
basTan dakavSirebuli sakiTxebi
isev Cvenive erTsulovnebiT, kavka-
siaSive unda wydebodes. amisaTvis
aucilebelia kavkasiel xalxTa
erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebeli moZ-
raobis koordinacia, dialogi, ra-
Ta erTobliv iqnes SemuSavebuli
erTiani moqmedebis taqtika da
strategia... Cveni mizani iqneba kav-
kasiis konsolidacia, misi ganTavi-
sufleba da dafuZneba msoflios
Tavisufal xalxTa ojaxSi. es ase-
ve aRadgens Cvens gulwrfel me-
gobrobas rus xalxTan, romelic
TviT aris totalitarizmis msx-
verpli!
Tqveni Tanxmobis SemTxvevaSi
kavkasiis xalxTa forumis damfuZ-
nebeli sxdomis mowyobis adgilisa
da zusti TariRis Sesaxeb damate-
biT gauwyebT.
gaumarjos kavkasiel xalxTa
erTian, Zmur ojaxs!
gaumarjos Cvens Zmobas, erTo-
basa da Tavisuflebas!
gvfaravdes RmerTi!~
RmerTo Cemo! msoflios libe-
ralur-demokratiul Tanamegobro-
bas, rogor fiqrobT, amgvari mi-
marTva da SigniT Cadebuli azri
moewoneboda?
evroamerikelebs gulze daexa-
tebodaT kavkasielebis `gulwrfe-
li megobroba rus xalx-Tan?~ da,
am mimarTvis teqsts eduard Sevar-
dnaZe ar Caidebda jibeSi da ameri-
kis prezidents ar daudebda magi-
daze? aba, mama buSma rom daiZaxa
msoflios gasagonad, `zviad gamsa-
xurdia dinebis sawinaaRmdegod mi-
curavso~, maS, visi Cagonebuli da
namuSevari iyo?
amisi damadasturebeli faqtia
isic, rom kavkasieli xalxebisadmi
mimarTvidan sul raRac erT kvira-
Si, 1991 wlis 29 marts, dRis sam
saaTze amerikidan Tbiliss da ker-
Zod, uzenaes sabWos ewvia amerikis
SeerTebuli Statebis yofili
prezidenti riCard niqsoni da kar-
gad mozrdili delegacia!
(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)
mandaturi (laT. mandatu-rus) _ xeljoxiani.
termini _ mandaturi qar-
Tul istoriul wyyaroebSi XII
saukunidan gvvxvvdeba. gvviandel
feodalur periodSi mandatu-
ris mniSvvnelobiT ixmareboda
terminebi _ boqauli da iasa-
uli.
2010 wlis aprilidan saja-
ro skolebSi “mandaturiza-
cia” daiwyo. xelisuflebis
azriT, skolebSi mandaturis
Seyvana warmatebuli proeqtia,
Tumca am mosazrebas hyavda da
hyavs bevri mowinaaRmdege. bo-
lo dReebSi gavrcelda cnoba
imis Sesaxeb, rom mandaturis
xelfasi seqtembridan pirda-
pirproporciuli iqneba maT mi-
er gamowerili oqmebis raode-
nobisa. gadavxedoT,
ra specialobis ada-
mianebi muSaoben man-
daturebad, ra SemTx-
vevaSi SeuZliaT maT
oqmebis gamowera,
rogori momzadeba ga-
iares am samsaxurSi
mosaxvedrad da ar-
gumentebi aqvT manda-
turTa mowinaaRmde-
geebs.
mandaturad muSa-
obis dawyeba SeeZlo
umaRlesi ganaTlebis
mqone, nebismieri
profesiis, diax, ne-
bismieri profesiis,
adamians, romelic
warmatebiT gaivlida
samTvian trening kurss. bolo
dros, am samuSaos misaRebad,
cota xelis wakvrac gaxda sa-
Wiro, radgan mandaturs sakma-
od maRali xelfasi aqvs _ mas-
wavlebelze TiTqmis samjer
meti. pedagogebs, arc Tu daum-
saxureblad, swyinT kidec man-
daturis xelfasi maT xelfass
ase rom aRemateba, arc is sia-
movnebT, mandaturs SeniSvnis
micemis ufleba rom aqvs mas-
wavleblisTvis moswavleebis
TandaswrebiT. amboben, amiTi
Cveni Rirsebebi knindebao, am
faqtiT kidev erTxel dastur-
deba, rom Cveni – pedagogebis
Sroma am qveyanaSi arasodes
fasobda da arc dafasdebao.
zog skolaSi mandaturebi mos-
wonT, zog skolaSi ki dere-
fanSi mandaturis gamoCenisTa-
nave bavSvebi da pedagogebic ki
saubars wyveten.
kargad mogexsenebaT, saja-
ro skolebis umetesobas fsi-
qologebi aRar hyavT. samagie-
rod yavT samTvian trening
gavlili mandaturebi. arada,
mozardebTan muSaoba arc ise
advilia. aucilebelia mozar-
dis fsiqikur TaviseburebebSi
erkveodnen – pirovnebis ganvi-
Tarebis rogor asakSi arian
isini, ra stadiaze ra Tavise-
burebani axasiaTebT, ra emoci-
ebiT arian datvirTulni ama
Tu im momentSi, ra specifiki-
saa esa Tu is asaki. yovelive
amis codna, im adamianisTvis,
romelmac xval an zeg Tqvens
Svils oqmi unda gamouweros
– aucilebelia. aseve aranak-
leb mniSvnelovania anonimuro-
bisa da konfidencialurobis
sakiTxi, radgan esa Tu is Te-
ma uxerxulobasTan aris da-
kavSirebuli. bevr SemTxvevaSi
mozards (visac mTeli cxovre-
ba win aqvs) SesaZloa, garkve-
ulwilad Crdils ayenebdes
misi biografiuli faqtebis
sajarod gamotana. calsaxad
imis Tqma, rom mandaturizacia
– cudia, ar SeiZleba. am ins-
titutis SemoRebis Semdeg,
bevri skola, marTlac ufro
disciplinirebuli gaxda. mag-
ram, mandaturi “profesori”
ar aris da ar SeiZleba mas
yvelafris kontroli mivan-
doT. mandaturs SeuZlia mci-
re dagvianebazec ki oqmi gamo-
weros, maSin roca maswavle-
bels ar aqvs ufleba bavSvs
rame mkacrad miuTiTos an mos-
Txovos, Torem maswavlebel-
sac gamouweren oqms. norma-
luri gadamzadebis Semdeg da
aucileblad fsiqologTan er-
Tad, mandaturis muSaoba sko-
laSi, vfiqrob, marTlac efeq-
turi iqneboda. yvelam kargad
viciT, rogor muSaobdnen adre
skolebSi fsiqologebi. TiTq-
mis arafers akeTebdnen, Sesaba-
misad, jer fsiqologTa gadam-
zadeba unda momxdariyo. ima-
zec unda gvezruna, rom Sesa-
bamis socialur muSakebs sko-
lis gareTac SeemowmebinaT da
miexedaT e.w. `rTuli~ bavSve-
bisTvis.
dauSvebelia mandaturis
xelfasis odenoba maT mier ga-
mowerili oqmebis raodenobaze
iyos damokidebuli. Tu aqamde
mandaturs skolaSi ucxo sxe-
uls uwodebdnen, am kanonis
SemoRebis Semdeg monstradac
monaTlaven, radgan ukve namd-
vilad veRar moxerxdeba manda-
turisa da moswavleebis urTi-
erTobis pativiscemaze damyare-
ba. ukve SiSi iqneba maTi urTi-
erTobis mTavari warmmarTveli.
mandaturi wesiT mediatori
unda iyos konfliqtis dros,
unda SeeZlos damoZRvros da
daarigos bavSvi (rasakvirve-
lia, es misi pirovnuli Tvise-
bebis damsaxureba iqneba da ara
da vera samTviani treningisa),
magram Tu mandaturis xelfasi
gamoweril oqmebze iqneba da-
mokidebuli, mandaturi
iZulebuli gaxdeba Casafrebu-
li “gaiSnikiviT” daelodos,
rodis waitexs cxvirs an ki-
sers Cemi an Tqveni Svili, rom
mere Tavze daadges da niSnis-
mogebiT – aqaoda gamogiWireo
– oqms gamouwers.
me ar minda Cemi Svili mSi-
Sara monad gavzardo, rom Sem-
deg brbos nawili gaxdes. min-
da pativs scemdes pedagogs da
skolas, minda mxiaruli iyos
da ara mowyenili, ara SeSine-
buli da daTrgunuli. minda
vaJkaci gamovides da ara CamS-
vebi. minda avisa da kargis gar-
Ceva iswavlos da ara yvelaf-
ris da yvelas SiSi.
me ar minda aseTi mandatu-
ri!
arc Sen unda gWirdebodes!
da visac “maRla” oqmebi
Semoaklda, imis Svils kidev
gvariT cnoben skolaSi (pata-
ra qalaqia Tbilisi) da ra
enaRvleba?!
Tamar keSelava
skolis `ucxo sxeulebma~ oqmebis gegma ver Seasrules!
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Si meore jadosnuri dila gagvi-
Tenda. mdinaris mquxare xmas mam-
lis yivili uerTdeba.
kvlav `̀mmaaccxxoovvaarrss~~ vutria-
lebT. igi soflis uZveles uban-
Si, sasaflaoze dgas. iqvea gvi-
an xanebSi agebuli Tu aRdgeni-
li samrekloc. TTaavvaadd `̀mmaaccxxoovvaa-
rrii~~ ddiiddii eekklleessiiaa aarraaaa ((66,,5555XX55,,22
mm..)),, nnaaggeebbiiaa kkaarrggaadd ggaaTTlliillii SSii-
rriimmiiss kkvvaaddrreebbiiTT ddaa nnaaTTddeebbaa aaRR-
mmoossaavvlleeTTiissaa ddaa ddaassaavvlleeTTiiss oorrii
vviiwwrroo ssaarrkkmmlliiTT,, rroommeelliicc SSiigg-
nniiddaann aammbbrraazzuurraassaavviiTT ffaarrTToovvddee-
bbaa.. ffaassaaddeebbii mmTTlliiaannaadd mmooxxaattuullii
yyooffiillaa,, rraassaacc aaddaassttuurreebbss ssaammxx-
rreeTT kkeeddlliiss kkaarrss zzeevviiTT,, mmTTeell
ggaayyoolleebbaazzee SSeemmoorrCCeenniillii nnaalleessii
ddaa mmxxaattvvrroobbiiss uummnniiSSvvnneelloo kkvvaa-
llii..
taZari SigniT mTlianadaa mo-
xatuli XI-XII saukuneTa mijnis
freskebiT, romelTagan erT-erT-
ze, karis Tavze Sesrulebuli
miqael Cegianis portretze, wina
werilSi dawvrilebiT visaubreT.
sakurTxevlis konqSi macxovris
freskaa, danarCen kedlebze ki
bibliuri scenebi da wmindanebia
moxatuli. miuxedavad imisa, rom
CaSavebuli freskebidan mxolod
TeTri da movardisfro tonalo-
ba da xazebi ikiTxeba, mxatvro-
bas wuni ar daedeba.
moxatulia uZvelesi, sami Ta-
RiT gaxsnili qvis kankeli, rom-
lis win qvis postamentSi Cadg-
muli didi xis jvaria aRmarTu-
li. qvis kankelis zurgze pale-
ografma valerian silogavam wai-
kiTxa ori grafiti (nakawri war-
wera), romelSic naxsenebi arian
ggiioorrggii xxooWWoommaannii da iivvaannee xxeeSSkkii-
kkeellii..
Cven dakvirvebul mkiTxvels,
albaT, emaxsovreba, rom wina we-
rilSi `macxovarSi~ Semonaxuli
ssiinneellii xxuucceessiiss mozrdili war-
werac movitaneT, magram am sasu-
liero moRvawis saxels sul ma-
le kidev aRmovaCenT, Tu soflis
Crd.aRmosavleT ubanSi mdgar
mTavarangelozebis eklesiisken
_`Taringzelisken~ gavwevT.
`̀TTaarriinnggzzeellii~~ miniaturuli
saydaria (4,9X4,2 m), maRal
borcvze dgas da rogorc svane-
Tis ZeglTa umetesoba, Tlili
Sirimis qviTaa aSenebuli. miuxe-
davad imisa, rom nawilobriv
substruqciaze dgas, saydars ma-
inc damuqrebia dangreva da ori
mxridan (Crd;dasav.) kontrfor-
sebiT gaumagrebiaT. mSeneblobis
stiliT, `macxovris~ msgavsad,
isic XI-is Zeglia, naTdeba aRmo-
savleTisa da dasavleTis ori
viwro sarkmliT, xolo Sesasv-
leli dasavleT kedelSia gaWri-
li. eklesia Signidan ramdenadme
primitulad aris moxatuli gvi-
an SuasaukuneebSi, Warbobs agu-
risferi. sakurTxevlis win aqac
sami TaRiT gaxsnili qvis kanke-
li da didi xis jvaria. am ta-
ZarSi sineli xucesi or nakawr
warweraSia naxsenebi. pirveli
grafiti aseTi Sinaarsisaa: `̀qq..
wwmmiiddaaoo mmTTaavvaarraannggeelloozzoo,, SSeeiiwwyyaa-
llee ssiinneellii xxuucceessii,, mmwwaarreedd ccoodd-
vviillii,, ddRReessaa mmaass ssaaSSiinneellssaa ggaann-
kkiiTTxxvviissaassaa,, ooddeess RRmmeerrTTii mmiiaaggeebb-
ddeess......~~ Zalian sainteresoa meore
grafiti. igi aTasi wlis winaT
momxdar ambavs acocxlebs:
`̀qqrriissttee SSeeiiwwyyaallee ssiinneellii,, iioovvaa-
nneess TTaavviissppoovvaassaa wwiinnaaTTddRReessaa TToovv-
llmmaann ssaaxxllii ddaaaarrRRvviiaa ddaa ZZeellnnii
ddaalleewwaa~~.. xedavT, ra ucnauri am-
bavi momxdara 1000 wlis winaT
_ agvistoSi iseTi Tovli mosu-
la, rom saxlebi daungrevia!... am
warwerebidan Cven beris vinaobac
dagvainteresebs uTuod. eess CCvveeuu-
lleebbrriivvii,, eerrTT eekklleessiiaa-mmoonnaasstteerr-
SSii mmooRRvvaawwee bbeerrii rroomm aarraaaa,, aammaass
mmaarrttooooddeenn aaddiiSSiiss oorr eekklleessiiaaSSii
SSeemmoonnaaxxuullii mmiissii ssaaxxeellii rrooddii
aaddaassttuurreebbss.. ssiinneellss CCvveenn aaqqaammddee
qqvveemmoo ssvvaanneeTTiiss ((lleenntteexxiiss rr-nnii))
XXII ssaauukkuunniiss TTeekkaalliiss ((mmaammiiss))
`̀mmaaccxxoovvaarrSSiicc~~ wwaavvaawwyyddiiTT,, ssaaddaacc
ssaaRReebbaavviiTT wweerriiaa:: `̀qqrriissttee,, SSee-
iiwwyyaallee ssiinneellii~~.. savaraudoa, rom
sineli beri XI saukuneSi sinas
mTidan mosuli romeliRac uc-
nobi ganmanaTlebeli sasuliero
moRvawea.
`Taringzelis~ SigniT XI sa-
ukunis kidev 7 grafitia Semona-
xuli, romelic aseve v.silogavas
aqvs amokiTxuli. isini samxreT
kedelzea. or maTganSi mTavaran-
gelozebs Sewyalebas sTxovs
ori sxvadasxva kvirike, erTSi _
amrola da erTSic _ ioane. or-
gan saxeli ar aris amokawruli,
erTgan ki ucnauri teqstia: `̀eerr-
TTii TTiirrkkuummeellii SSeemmiiWWaammiiaa~~..
ras unda niSnavdes es warwe-
ra da ra iseTi aRsaniSnavia Tir-
kmlis Wama (Tanac ris Tirkmel-
zea saubari?), rom momlocvels
saydris kedelze amoekawra es am-
bavi?
cnoba Tirkmlis, rogorc
dakluli saqonlis wminda nawi-
lis, Sesaxeb svaneTis eTnografi-
ul CanawerebSi ramdenjerme
gvxvdeba. imasac amboben, rom zo-
gierTi eklesiis sakurTxevelSi
erT dros Tirkmlis formis
qvebs ise inaxavdnen, rogorc
siwmindes da samkurnalo saSua-
lebas. mecnierTa erTi nawili am
sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT Zveli
aRTqmis levitelTa wignis mesa-
me Tavsac ixsenebs. masSi naTqva-
mia, rom aronis ZeTa mRvdlebi
movaleni iyvnen, saRvTod daklu-
li saqonlis Semwvari Tirkmeli
da badeqoni TavianTi RmerTis sa-
kurTxevelze daewyoT. rogorc
Cans, es tradicia, iudevelTagan
damoukideblad, qarTul warmar-
Tul ritualebSic iyo da igi
mTam Semoinaxa. es rom asea, er-
Ti svanuri tradiciac adastu-
rebs: mmooggeexxsseenneebbaaTT,, ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss
aamm kkuuTTxxeeSSii nnaaddiirroobbaa vvaaJJkkaaccoobbiiss
eerrTT-eerrTTii ggaammooxxaattuulleebbaaaa.. aassee mmaa-
ggaalliiTTaadd,, gguurraamm CCeeggiiaannii,, vviissaacc aamm
wweerriilleebbiiss sseerriiaallss vvuuZZRRvvnnii,, iissee-
TTii ssaaxxeellggaannTTqqmmuullii mmoonnaaddiirree
iiyyoo,, rroomm mmuurrmmaann lleebbaanniiZZeemm llaammiiss
mmTTeellii ppooeemmaa mmiiss vvaaJJkkaaccoobbaass mmii-
uuZZRRvvnnaa.. gguurraammiissggaann ggaammiiggoonniiaa ddaa
aaxxllaa aaqq,, aaddiiSSSSii SSeemmaaxxsseenneess mmxxccoo-
vvaannmmaa kkaacceebbmmaa,, rroomm ssaannaaddiirroodd wwaa-
ssuullii ssvvaannii iissee aarr ggaauuyyvveebbooddaa WWii-
uuxxeebbiiss ggzzaass,, ssaannaamm wwmmiinnddaa ggiioorr-
ggiiss eekklleessiiaaSSii aarr iilloocceebbddaa ddaa
mmTTaavvaarrmmoowwaammiissaaggaann nnaaddiirroobbiiss nnee-
bbaarrTTvvaass aarr mmiiiiRReebbddaa.. nnaaddiirroobbiiddaann
ddaabbrruunneebbuullii ssvvaannii nnaannaaddiirreevviiss
SSeemmwwvvaarr TTiirrkkmmeellss ddiiddii ssiiffrrTTxxii-
lliiTT ((mmiissii ZZiirrss ddaacceemmaa ddaa mmwwiikkvv-
lliiaannoobbaa aarr iiqqnneebbooddaa)) SSeeiittaannddaa
eekklleessiiaaSSii.. uukkaann ggaammoobbrruunneebbiissaass
iiggii mmaaddlloobbiiss nniiSSnnaadd nnaannaaddiirreevvii
jjiixxvviiss aann aarrCCvviiss ssaauukkeeTTeessoo rrqqeebbss
ttoovveebbddaa ssaayyddrriiss kkaarrzzee..
rogorc Cans, gamonaklis Sem-
TxvevaSi, monadires mTavarange-
lozis eklesiaSic SeeZlo Sev-
la, magram erTi Tirkmlis Sewi-
rva, anu erTi nanadirevi ra ise-
Ti vaJkacobaa, rom saydris ke-
delze aReniSnaT? rogorc Cans,
monadire am xeobidan ar iyo da
arc is icoda, rom wminda gior-
gis eklesia sxvagan idga. man,
rogorc SeZlo, gulwrfelad
moixada monadiris mokrZalebuli
vali. es ambavic, aTasi wlis wi-
naT momxdara...
... wminda giorgis eklesia
adiSis sxva ubanSi, soflis sam-
xreT monakveTSi, adiSWalis mar-
cxena, kldovan napirzea. mas
`̀qqaaSSvveeTTiiss wwmmiinnddaa ggiioorrggiiTT~~ moix-
seneben adgilobrivebi. igi `Ta-
ringzelis~ Tanatolia da bevri
ramiT hgavs mas. ssaammxxrreeTTii kkeedd-
lliiTT,, mmddiinnaarriiss mmxxaarreess,, iissiicc ssuubb-
ssttrruuqqcciiaass eeyyrrddnnoobbaa ddaa SSiiggnniiddaa-
nnaacc,, mmggoonnii,, iiggiivvee oossttaattiiss mmooxxaa-
ttuulliiaa.. mmssggaavvssiiaa kkaannkkeellii ddaa mmiiss
wwiinn aaRRmmaarrTTuullii xxiiss jjvvaarriicc.. eerr-
TTaaddeerrTTii,, rraacc `̀qqaaSSvveeTTss~~ `̀TTaarriinngg-
zzeelliissggaann~~ ggaannaassxxvvaavveebbss,, CCrrddiillooee-
TTii ffaassaaddiiaa,, rroommeelliicc mmTTlliiaannaadd
wwmm.. TTeevvddoorreess ddaa wwmm.. ggiioorrggiiss ccxxee-
nnoossaannii ffiigguurreebbiiss ffrreesskkeebbss uukkaa-
vviiaa.. sainteresod aris warmodge-
nili mTavarmowame interieris
mxatvrobaSi, sadac igi, fexze
dgas. aqvea wminda basilis mozr-
dili freskac.
eklesiis karsa da kexze arC-
vis rqebia damagrebuli, rac imis
maniSnebelia, rom adiSelebi am
mimarTulebiT arCvebze sanadir-
od midiodnen. rogorc sofelSi
amixsnes, swored am mxaresaa adi-
Sis erT dros arCvebiT mdidari
veliralis mTa. jixvebze sanadi-
ro Wiuxebi adiSidan Crdilo-aR-
mosavleTiT, centraluri kavka-
sionis umaRlesi mwvervalebiske-
naa. momavali mogzauroba sworeT
iqiT gvaqvs dagegmili.
gela qoqiaSviliaavvttoorriiss ffoottooeebbii
adiSis Temi
mogzauroba samSobloSi
`qaSveTis~ saerTo xedi Crd. aRmosavleTidan,
wminda giorgis freska interierSi da sakurTxevlis absidi
sofeli adiSi da `Taringzelis~ saerTo xedi Crd. dasavleTidan
1000 wliswinandelisuraTebi
25saerTo gazeTi#30 (214), 4-10.VII, 2012 w.
amas winaT erTi Cemi Zveli
foTeli nacnobi Semxvda, da ras
SvebiT, ra xdeba foTSi-meTqi,
rom vkiTxe, pirveli, rac mipa-
suxa, foTis meris Sesaxeb anek-
doti momiyva, romelic foTis
bazars ukavSirdeboda. anekdots
yovelTvis aqvs safuZveli. mag-
ram TbilisSi, daZabuli poli-
tikuri epicentris SuagulSi,
foTis ambebiT, SeiZleboda, arc
davinteresebuliyavi, internet-
portal `geonews.ge~-zze rom
axali ambavs SemTxveviT ar wav-
wydomodi:
`... wavida Tu ara meri, amaze
dazustebuli pasuxi aravis aqvs.
zogis TqmiT, lemonjavas foTSi
stumrad myof saakaSvilTan
uTanxmoeba mosvlia, ris gamoc
dRis wesrigSi misi Tanamdebobi-
dan gaTavisuflebis sakiTxi
dadga. `̀Tspres.ge~-s informaci-
iT, vaxtang lemonjava am drois-
Tvis meris saqmianobas agrZe-
lebs. is meriaSi imyofeba da
samsaxuridan wasvlis Sesaxeb
gavrcelebul informacias ab-
surduls uwodebs. `sad gavr-
celda es informacia, bazarSi?~
_ acxadebs meri da ambobs, rom
mas kidev `bevri samuSao aqvs~.
magram ratom unda gavrcele-
buliyo informacia maincdamainc
foTis bazarSi da ra SuaSia ba-
zari merTan?
bazari foTSi yvelaze xalx-
mravali adgili da portis Sem-
deg yvelaze Semosavliani obieq-
tia. TviT bazris garSemo ki ma-
vanTa vnebaTaRelva, rogorc Cem-
ma foTelma axlobelma miTxra,
erTi Tvis win daiwyo.
`kolxi-221~-iis
administraciuli
`odisea~
2005 wels foTSi Tanamed-
rove standartebiT aRWurvili
agraruli bazari aSenda. Zveli,
sabWoTa periodSi arsebuli da
ukve moZvelebuli savaWro inven-
taris, antisanitariis, uTavbo-
lobis nacvlad Sps `kolxi-21~-
is iniciativiT yofili bazris
teritoriaze samsarTuliani Se-
noba gaCnda.
adre muxlebamde talaxSi
rom idgnen movaWreebi, Rori da
kaci rom erTAd trialebda,
mowesrigda yvelaferi da adami-
ans adamianur pirobebSi muSAo-
bis saSuleba miecao, amboben
axla foTelebi.
SedarebiT normalur gare-
moSi iq dasaqmda 500-mde adami-
ani, romelTa umetesoba afxaze-
Tidan aris devnili. maT Soris
arian iseTebic, anu socialurad
daucvelni, romlebsac bazris
xelmZRvaneloba gadasaxadebisgan
aTavisuflebs. 2005 wlis Sem-
deg bazris xelmZRvanelobam im-
deni moaxerxa, rom movaWreebs
ganaxevrebul gadasaxadebs axde-
vinebda. foTis bazari portis
Semdeg qalaqSi erTaderTi si-
cocxlisunariani da xalxmrava-
li adgili gaxda, igi Sps-s
ekuTvnoda da Sesabamisi kanonm-
deblobiT gansazRvrul avtono-
mias eqvemdebareboda.
Cvens mier mopovebuli doku-
mentaciis mixedviT, 2010 wels
foTis bazarma sagadasaxado Se-
mowmeba gaiara. dokumentaciis
safuZvelze erTi Tvis maqsima-
luri Semosavali meqanikurad
iqna gadamravlebuli im TveSi
dReebis raodenobaze da yvela
TveSi miTiTebuli iqna sxvadas-
xva Tanxa.
amJamad, 2012 wlis 26 mar-
tis mdgomareobiT, gadamxdelis
pirad baraTze, sabolood ir-
icxeba saldirebuli sagadasaxa-
do davalianeba, romelmac 783
852 lari Seadgina. saxelmwifos
SeeZlo aeRo aRniSnuli davali-
aneba, magram, rogorc aRmoCnda,
Sps-s qoneba ratomRac 2 mili-
on 880 aTasad Seafases da ga-
dasaxdeladac es Tanxa daakis-
res. saarbitraJo gadawyvetile-
biT ki Sps `kolxi-21-is~ `vi Ti
bi banki jorjias~ sasargeblod
2 99356872 lari aqvs gadasax-
deli, rac Sps-s avtomatur
gakotrebas niSnavs.
bazris xelmZRvanelobisTvis,
cxadia, es Tanxa ar iqneboda
iseTi xelwamosakravi, rom ga-
daxdis mizanSewonilobaze pro-
testis grZnoba ar gasCenoda da
gasaCivrda sagadasaxado aqti,
magram saqarTveloSi xom `sa-
xelmwifo~ yovelTvis marTa-
lia?! am SemTxvevaSic ase moxda.
bazris xelmZRvanelobam, ubra-
lod, ver miaRwia imas, rom sa-
kiTxi safuZvlianad ganxiluli-
yo. sxva gza aRar rCeboda, iZu-
lebulni gaxdnen sagadasaxado
garigebaze wasuliyvnen. bazris
mesveurebma garigebis safuZvel-
ze sagadasaxados 170 000 lari
SesTavazes, razec sastiki uari
miiRes. ifiqres, albaT, Tanxa
ecotavaTo, bazris xelmZRvane-
lobam TavianTi obieqtis `gada-
sarCenad~ ojaxis wevrebisa da
naTesavebis uZrav-moZravi qoneba
ipoTekiT datvirTva da amjerad
350 000 lari SesTavazes saga-
dasaxados. reformirebuli saga-
dasaxado struqtura kvlav
uarze idga. bazris xelmZRvane-
lobam rwyilis da WianWvelas
zRapris ar iyos, axla sasamar-
Tlos mimarTa sakiTxis obieq-
turad gadawyvetaSi daxmarebis-
Tvis, magram, sanam sasamarTlo
sakiTxs ganixilavda, manam sasw-
rafod Seafases obieqti 8 mil-
ion dolarad da gaasxvises. da-
interesebuli ikiTxavs: bolos
da bolos visze gasxvisda baza-
ri? swored aqaa damarxuli,
rom ityvian, ZaRlis Tavi. 8
milioni dolari ar aris iseTi
sayvelpuro Tanxa, vinmes xeli
rom gaekra jibeze da daufiq-
reblad amoeRo sakuTari yula-
bidan. amitom foTSi arsebuli
`kriminaluri~ obieqti _ foTis
agraruli bazari saxelmwifom,
romelic viTomda korufcias eb-
rZvis da dafarul Semosavlebs
xalxis sasargeblod aaSkara-
vebs, orad gayo. nawili `vi Ti
bi banks~ darCa, nawili _ sa-
xelmwifos.
sadao `Svili~
foTis bazris ambavi solo-
mon brZenis igavs magonebs _
ori qali mivida bibliur pat-
riarqTan, miiyvanes Cvili. orive
irwmuneba _ ara Cemia bavSvi, ara
_ Cemio. maSin brZens uTqvams _
gaWeriT Cvili SuaSi, nawili
erTs mieciT, nawili _ meoreso.
maSin wamomxtara namdvili deda
da uTqvams _ aseTi ram ar Cai-
dinoT, dae, bavSvi cocxali iyo-
so.
es ambavi imaze gamaxsenda,
rom bazris namdvili mepatrone-
ebi, romelTagan mxolod nodar
korsantias telefonis nomers
mivakvlie, isic ki pasuxs Se-
kiTxvebze ar iZleva da dums. sa-
telefono saubrisas mxolod es
Tqva: me dResac vpatronob ba-
zars, Tumca ukve sxvis saxelzea
gadaformebuli, ra vqna, Cems
naSroms ver vimeteb, imdeni of-
li maqvs iq daRvrili, am ga-
nukiTxaobisTvis ubralod, mena-
nebao.
mokled, bazris nawili ram-
denadac gavarkvie, ekuTvnis `vi
Ti bi banks~, nawili _ saxelm-
wifos, romelmac Tavisi wili
ekonomikis saministros gadau-
loca. saxelmwifom TviTon Sea-
fasa sakuTarive kanonis darRve-
viT, radgan Sps-m un-
da moiwvios damouki-
debeli Semfasebeli,
raTa kerZo sakuTre-
bis ufleba ar dairR-
ves. erTi sityviT, mi-
uxedavad bazris dam-
fuZnebelTa araerTi
mcdelobisa, saxelm-
wifo am SemTxvevaSic
ar aRmoCnda solomon
brZenisnairi marTali
da gonieri da SuaSi
`gaWra~ bazari. nawi-
li banks, nawili _
ekonomikis saminist-
ros. rogorc gavige,
banks ramdenime dRis
win auqcioni gaumar-
Tavs bazris nawilis
gasxvisebaze, ekonomi-
kis saministros ki
darCa bazris darCeni-
li nawili, romelsac
bankis soliduri vali aqvs.
xval rom ekonomikis saminist-
rom obieqtis nawili vinmes ga-
dasces, is biujetSi karga xans
verafers Seitans, radgan bankis
valebi eqneba gasastumrebeli,
banki ki ruseTis federaciis
kuTvnilebaa.
tyuilze
dafuZnebuli
aRmSenebloba
grZeldeba
saqarTvelos prezidentad
wodebulma mixeil saakaSvilma
Tavisi saprezidento karieridan
sul cota xanSi xmamaRla gamo-
acxada: vinc saqarTveloSi 50
000 dolaris investicias Ca-
debs, Cemi uaxloesi megobari av-
tomaturad xdebao. SevardnaZis
korumpirebuli reJimis samarcx-
vino uRlis gadagdebis Semdeg
saakaSvilTan megobrobas bevri
SeZlebuli qarTveli daxarbda
maSin, ZiriTadad, isini, vinc
ucxoeTSi cxovrobdnen. Cemi fo-
Teli informatoris cnobiT,
foTis agraruli bazris rekon-
struqcia da Tanamedrove stan-
dartebiT mowyoba moskovSi
mcxovrebma afxazeTidan devni-
lma nodar korsantiam iTava.
marTalia, `geonews.ge~ in-
formaciaSi foTis meri vaxtang
lemonjava acxadebs, rom mis Se-
saxeb foTis bazarSi laparako-
ben, magram, zustad foTelebma
miTxres, rom, SesaZloa, am
msxvili savaWro obieqtiT swo-
red foTis nacionali xelmZRva-
neloba iyos dainteresebuli.
es xom maTi Cveuli meTo-
dia?! aaSenebineben, gaakeTebine-
ben, mere waarTmeven da miiTvi-
seben...
vaxtang lemonjava, romlis
saxelsac foTSi araerTi usa-
marTloba ukavSirdeba, naciona-
lurma moZraobam Cxorowyus ma-
Joritar deputatad daasaxela.
romeli keTili saqmeebis gamo
airCeven Cxorowyuelebi foTis
yofil mers, axal nacional
maJoritars, es kidev sakiTxavia,
magram jer gavixsenoT, ra mox-
da dezertirebis bazarTan dakav-
SirebiT, televiziiT aCvenebdnen
goris bazris movaWreTa wivil-
kivils, mepatrones iqac ZaliT
waarTves kuTvnili qoneba, xaSu-
ris bazarze aRar SevCerdebiT...
magram am istoriaSi yvelaze
saintereso mainc is aris, rom
es ambavi ar momxdara 5 an 7
wlis win, maSin, roca naciona-
lebi `demokratiis mSeneblobas~
es-esaa iwyebdnen, es istoria
daaxloebiT, erTi Tvis win mox-
da, roca mTeli qveyana saarCev-
no maraTonSia CarTuli da naci-
onalebi dapirebebs dapirebebze
iZlevian. rogorc mgeli ar mo-
iSlis mglobas, ise eseni ver
gamoswordebian _ maTi xasiaTia
ukve waRleta, dataceba, sxvisi
qonebis dayaCaReba-dayadaReba da
ase grZeldeba ukve 8 weliwa-
dia...
foTis bazris Sesaxeb, ro-
gorc giTxariT, SemTxveviT ga-
vige, vin icis, ramdeni aseTi da
ufro uaresi ram moxda da mis
Sesaxeb sazogadoebam veraferi
Seityo?! Cems mier Catarebuli
amJamindeli Jurnalisturi kv-
leva, SesaZloa, zRvaSi wveTi
iyos foTis bazris istoriis
detalebTan dakavSirebiT, rad-
gan xelisuflebam yvelaferi sa-
informacio saSualebebisgan da-
farulad, Cumad ganaxorciela.
Tu aseTi kriminaluri saSine-
lebebi da saxelmwifo danaSau-
li xdeboda foTis bazarSi ise,
rom misi gakotreba da Semdeg
nawil-nawil dagleja aucilebe-
li iyo, ratom ver gaigo am
kriminalis Sesaxeb manamde sa-
zogadoebam? amitom didad moxa-
ruli viqnebi Tu foTis bazris
mesveurebi damikavSirdebian. ma-
Sin Cvens mkiTxvels xelisuf-
lebis Zalmomreobaze ufro de-
talur informaciebs mivawvdiT.
mokled, kiTxvebi bevria da pa-
suxi, cxadia, qveynis xelmZRva-
nelobas da adgilobrivi muni-
cipalitetis meTaurebs unda
moekiTxoT...
iranda kalandaZe
ambavi imis Sesaxeb, Tu rogor waarTves saakaSvilTandamegobrebis imediT Camotyuebul biznesmens
foTis bazari da rogor gayves da gainawiles igi
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rad Semodis `saerTo gazeTis~
redaqciaSi.
qorwinebis gareSe Sobili
bavSvi aris memkvidre, Tu mamoba
aRiarebulia nebayoflobiT an
dadgenilia sasamarTlo wesiT.
* * *
_ samoqalaqo saqmeze Setani-
li maqvs saapelacio saCivari, Se-
miZlia Tu ara uari vTqva masze?
_ SegiZliaT.
samoqalaqo saproceso kodeq-
sis 378-e muxlis I nawilis mi-
xedviT, saapelacio saCivarze
uaris Tqma dasaSvebia saapelacio
sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis ga-
motanamde.
amave muxlis me-2 nawi-
lis mixedviT, saapelacio
saCivarze uaris Tqmis Sem-
TxvevaSi, sasamarTlo
Sewyvets saqmis warmoebas,
ris Semdegac mxares erT-
meva ufleba kvlav gaasa-
Civros sasamarTlos ga-
dawyvetileba saapelacio
wesiT.
* * *
_ SemiZlia Tu ara saa-
pelacio sasamarTloSi
warvadgino axali faqtebi
da mtkicebulebebi?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso ko-
deqsis 380-e muxlis I nawilis
mixedviT, saapelacio sasamarT-
loSi saqmis ganxilvisas SeiZle-
ba moyvanil iqnes axali faqtebi
da wardgenil iqnes axali mtki-
cebulebebi.
amave muxlis me-2 nawilis mi-
xedviT saapelacio sasamarTlo
ar miiRebs axal faqtebsa da
mtkicebulebebs, romlebic mxares
SeeZlo waredgina pirveli ins-
tanciis sasamarTloSi saqmis gan-
xilvisas, magram arasapatio mize-
ziT ar waradgina.
* * *
_ ras niSnavs, samoqalaqo
saproceso kanonmdeblobis mixed-
viT, dispoziciurobis principi?
_ mogaxsenebT:
samoqalaqo saproceso kodeq-
sis me-3 muxlis I nawili: mxare-
ebi iuwyebian saqmis warmoebas sa-
samarTloSi am kodeqsSi Camoya-
libebuli wesebis Sesabamisad:
sarCelis, an gancxadebis Setanis
gziT, isini gansazRvraven davis
sagans da TviTonve iReben gadawy-
vetilebas sarCelis (gancxade-
bis) Setanis Sesaxeb.
II nawili: mxareebs SeuZliaT
saqmis warmoeba morigeobiT daam-
Tavron, mosarCeles SeuZlia
uari Tqvas sarCelze, xolo mo-
pasuxes_ cnos sarCeli.
* * *
_ sad unda warvadginoT sar-
Celi alimentis gadaxdis Sesa-
xeb?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso ko-
deqsis me-19 muxlis me-5 nawilis
mixedviT, sarCeli alimentis ga-
daxdevinebis Sesaxeb SeiZleba
wardgenil iqnes sasamarTloSi
mosarCelis sacxovrebeli adgi-
lis mixedviT.
* * *
_ sad unda warvadginoT sar-
Celi, rodesac ramdenime mopasu-
xea da isini sxvadasxva adgilas
cxovroben?
samoqalaqo saproceso kodeq-
sis me-16 muxlis I nawilis mi-
xedviT, sarCeli ramdenime mopa-
suxis mimarT sasamarTlos wa-
redgineba erT-erTi mopasuxis
sacxovrebeli adgilis mixedviT.
* * *
_ gTxovT, gangvimartoT, ras
Seadgens procesis xarjebs?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso ko-
deqsis 37-e muxlis I nawilis mi-
xedviT, procesis xarjebs Sead-
gens sasamarTlo xarjebi da sa-
samarTlos gareSe xarjebi.
II nawili: sasamarTlo xar-
jebs Seadgens saxelmwifo baJi
da saqmis ganxilvasTan dakavSire-
buli xarjebi. saqmis ganxilvas-
Tan dakavSirebuli xarjebis gaan-
gariSebis wesi da maTi odenoba
ganisazRvreba saqarTvelos pre-
zidentis brZanebulebiT.
III nawili: sasamarTlos gare-
Se xarjebs warmoadgens advoka-
tisaTvis gaweuli xarjebi, da-
karguli xelfasi (ganacduri)
mtkicebulebaTa uzrunvelsayo-
fad gaweuli xarjebi, agreTve,
mxareTa sxva aucilebeli xarje-
bi.
* * *
_ samoqalaqo saproceso kano-
nmdeblobis mixedviT, ra iTvleba
axlad aRmoCenil garemoebad?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso ko-
deqsis 423-e muxlis I nawilis
mixedviT, kanonier ZalaSi Sesu-
li gadawyvetileba SeiZleba ga-
saCivrdes axlad aRmoCenil gare-
moebaTa gamo saqmis warmoebis ga-
naxlebis moTxovniT, Tu:
a) aRmoCndeba, rom dokumenti,
romelsac gadawyvetileba emyare-
ba, yalbia;
b) dadgenilia mowmis Segnebu-
lad cru Cveneba, eqspertis Seg-
nebulad yalbi daskvna, Segnebu-
lad araswori Targmani, rasac
mohyva ukanono an dausabuTebeli
gadawyvetilebis miReba;
g) dadgenilia am saqmeze mxa-
reTa da maT warmomadgenelTa da-
naSaulebrivi qmedeba an mosamar-
Tlis danaSaulebrivi qmedeba;
d) sasamarTlos ganaCeni, ga-
dawyvetileba, ganCineba an sxva
organos dadgenileba, romelic
safuZvlad daedo am gadawyveti-
lebas, gauqmda;
e) mxare warudgens sasa-
marTlos kanonier ZalaSi Se-
sul gadawyvetilebas, rome-
lic gamotanilia imave sarCe-
lis mimarT;
v) mxarisaTvis cnobili
gaxda iseTi garemoebebi da
mtkicebulebebi, romlebic, ad-
re rom yofiliyo wardgenili
sasamarTloSi saqmis ganxil-
vis dros, gamoiwvevda misTvis
xelsayreli gadawyvetilebis
gamotanas;
z) arsebobs adamianis uf-
lebaTa evropis sasamarTlos
kanonier ZalaSi Sesuli ga-
dawyvetileba (ganCineba), romel-
mac daadgina adamianis uflebaTa
da ZiriTad TavisuflebaTa dac-
vis konvenciis, anda misi damate-
biTi oqmebis darRveva am saqmes-
Tan dakavSirebiT da dadgenili
darRveva gadasasinji gadawyveti-
lebidan gamomdinareobs.
`saerTo gazeTis~ iuridiuli konsultacia
miSam amerikelebis
rCeva xelisuflebis
gadabarebasTan dakav-
SirebiT gaiTvalis-
wina da xelisufleba biZina
ivaniSvilis nacvlad vano me-
rabiSvils gadaabara.....droe-
biT.
aba, meoradi minist-
rebis fuTebi iafad!!!
neta axla raRas
gvetyvis ekonomikis
mamad wodebuli de-
magogi kaxa benduqi-
Ze? is, rac ar SeiZleba biZi-
na ivaniSvilisTvis, Turme, nu
ityviT da SesaZlebeli yofi-
la vano merabiSvilisTvis,
romelmac, miuxedavad metyve-
lebis defeqtisa, sxapa-sxupiT
gaimeora biZinas dapirebebi,
maT Soris bendus mier sasaci-
lod agdebuli dasaqmeba, sof-
lis meurneobis ganviTareba
da, rac yvelaze mTavaria, sa-
yovelTao dazRveva.... rao, ka-
xa!!! ar gijereben? davai exla,
skami gamoicvale... cud saj-
domze zixar... gadmovardebi
)))))
raze vgiJdebi iciT,
ekonomikis saminist-
ro, romelic aris
mouqneli da umoqme-
do realurad imis gamo, rom
6 saministroa gaerTianebuli
da visi visaSia aravin ar icis,
imas ar anawevreben da xsnian
(piarze gaTvlil) gaurkveve-
li funqciis `dasaqmebis sami-
nistros~, marazmia ukve es
yvelaferi da gulis amre-
viiiiiiiiiiii...
dasaqmeba ukve da-
iwyo. paata trapaiZe
dasaqmebis ministrad
dainiSna. ministrs
aparati, mZRoli, mdivani xom
unda da kidev ramdenime adami-
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Cevnebis win dasaqme-
bis programebs rom
acxadebdnen, TveSi oras-oras
lars arigebdnen, jamSi 600-s.
nuTu Cveni fasi gaizarda?
dasaqmebis saminist-
roo??? aba, win miv-
divarT da ekonomika
yvaviso?! ra gavigeT
am bolo xanebSi nacebisgan:
bankebi xalxs wewaven, umuSev-
roba didi problemaa, soflis
meurneoba saswrafod misaxe-
dia, xalxs mkurnalobis fuli
ara aqvs... ukacravad da 9 we-
liwadi ras akeTebdnen maSin
da vinc nacebs miscems xmas,
ra dauni unda iyos, azrze
xarT?)))
ukacravad, umuSev-
roba beWebze rogor
unda dados am xeli-
suflebam? aaaaaaaaa,
zonderebs acemineben?
xelmisawvdomi jan-
dacva, dasaqmeba da
soflis aRorZineba,-
vano merabiSvilisa
da biZina ivaniSvilis priori-
tetebi,erTi moqmedi premie-
ria,meore momlodine.
didi xnis win Wkvi-
anma xalxma Tqva da
mec gavimeore Tvee-
bis win aq (aba, miSas
xom ar davesesxebodi?!): roca
politikuri mmarTvelis saxe
karikaturad iqceva, misi amba-
vi dasrulebulia. es daemarTa
saakaSvils da axla rogor
gamoZvres mSvidobianad, ar
icis. axla dawyebulia safuZ-
vliani kampania vanosTan da-
kavSirebiT
saqarTvelos premi-
er-ministri xdeba va-
no merabiSvili, ro-
melic warmatebuli
nomer pirveli suboteqsis
biznesmenia, ase rom vTqvaT _
`bariga~.. suboteqsis fasi
safrangeTis Sav bazarze 2 ev-
roa, saqarTvelos Sav bazarze
500-600 lari da am biznesis
uSualo makontrolebeli vano
merabiSvilia Tavis frang par-
tniorTan erTad _ yofil
prezidentTan, nikola sarko-
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kide xelisuflebaSi mosvla?
??? ?????????
xalxis azriT
Tiniko kikutaZis mogonebaori weliwadi gavida, rac Cvengan waxvedi, mZime tki-
vili dagvitove Seni ojaxis wevrebs da axloblebs, iya-
vi patiosani, ganaTlebuli, mSromeli, Wirsa da lxinSi
gverdiT mdgomi adamiani... yvelas gvaxsovxar.
Seni gardacvalebis dRes yvavilebiT SevamkobT Sens saf-
lavs. ra daundobeli yofila es wuTisofeli... RmerTma na-
TelSi amyofos Seni lamazi suli, Cveno tkivilo, Tiko.
ojaxi
`saerTo gazeTis~ redaqcia
TanagrZnobas ucxadebs mwe-
ral revaz arTilayvas
meuRlis _ darejanis
gardacvalebis gamo.
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astrologiuri
prognozi
verZi _ Tavs Zala daata-
neT, raTa dasaxuli miznis-
ken svla ar SeaCeroT. axa-
li saqmeebis dawyebamde sjobs,
jer adre dawyebuli saqmeebi daas-
ruloT. ecadeT ar gaifuWoT ur-
TierToba sayvarel adamianTan. es
kargi periodia ucxoelebTan ur-
TierTobisaTvis.
kuro _ droulad daas-
ruleT Zveli saqmeebi da
axali meTodebic gamoiye-
neT. am dros mogzauroba kargs
arafers giqadis.
tyupebi _ SeuzRudavi
Tavisuflebis moTxovna
krizisul mdgomareobas ga-
moiwvevs, ecadeT, mSoblebTan har-
moniuli urTierToba SeinarCunoT.
kirCxibi _ gaizrdeba
Tqveni popularoba. damou-
kideblad azrovneba da Se-
moqmedeba garkveul Semosavalsac
gpirdebaT. problemebi gamowveuli
iqneba sayvarel adamianTan an meuR-
lesTan xangrZlivi CxubiT.
lomi _ mTel drosa da
Zalas saxlis saqmeebze nu
daxarjavT. finansebis gamo
SesaZloa, usiamovneba mogivideT
sayvarel adamianTan. ecadeT, ar ah-
yveT garSemo myofebs da gegmebi ar
CageSlebaT.
qalwuli _ garkveuli
movlenebi ar mogcemT saSu-
alebas, SeicvaloT samsaxu-
ri an xeli mihyoT sayvarel saqmes.
damakmayifilebeli iqneba finansuri
mdgomareoba.
saswori _ Semoqmedebi-
Ti samuSao, molaparakebebi
da xangrZlivi mogzauroba
mogebas mogitanT. ecadeT miiRoT
axali informacia da is sasikeTod
gamoiyenoT.
morieli _ mTeli ener-
gia mimarTuli iqneba Semo-
savlis gazrdisken, Tavi Se-
ikaveT riskisgan da ecadeT, ar ah-
yveT cdunebebs. sasiyvarulo part-
niorma SeiZleba imedebi gagicru-
oT.
mSvildosani _ Tamamad
SegiZliaT, Seudges Tqveni
gegmebis ganxorcielebisT-
vis mzadebas. partnioruli urTi-
erTobebis dasamyareblad ucnobeb-
Tan saqmes nu daiWerT, raTa aravin
mogatyuoT.
Txis rrqa _ nu gamoiye-
nebT gadaumownebel infor-
macias, gansakuTrebiT sayva-
rel adamianTan dakavSirebiT. axa-
li saqmis dawyebisas daxmarebisT-
vis mimarTeT axlo naTesavebs an
megobrebs.
merwyuli _ bevr mou-
lodnel ambavs SeityobT,
magram arsebuli mdgoma-
reobis SesanarCuneblad sjobs
araferi SecvaloT. ecadeT sayva-
rel adamianTan ar dauSvaT Sec-
domebi.
Tevzebi _ ecadeT, aRad-
ginoT Zveli kavSirebi da
sazogadoebaSi daimkvidroT
mniSvnelovani adgili. miznebi dau-
kavSirdeba axal Canafiqrebs da
gansxvavebul saqmianobas, erideT
xalxis TavSeyris adgilebs da
mogzaurobas.
uuCCvveeuulloo qqoorrwwiinneebbaafotografi da
reJisori sem tei-
lor-vudi da aaron
jonsoni erTi kvi-
ris win col-qmari
gaxdnen. isini ukve
sami weliwadia er-
Tad cxovroben da
ori saerTo Svilic
hyavT.
britaneli fo-
tografi da reJiso-
ri semi teilori msaxiob aaron jonsons 45 wlis asakSi gah-
yva colad. aaroni sul raRac 22 wlisaa da erTmaneTs gada-
saReb moedanze daumegobrdnen. filmi `biWuna arsaidan~ jon
lenonis bavSvobis wlebs mieZRvna. aaron jonsoni am filmSi
mTavar rols asrulebs.
isini, rogorc giTxariT, sami weliwadia erTad cxovroben,
hyavT ori gogona, erTi 2010 wels daibada, meore _ 2012
wlis ianvarSi. wina qorwinebidan teilors ori gogona hyavs,
isini 15 da 7 wlisani arian.
TTeevvzzii __ ggoolliiaaTTii,,rroommlliissaacc nniiaannggssaacc `̀eeSSiinniiaa~~
jeremi uaidma axlaxan golia-
Ti Tevzi daiWira. es Tevzi saSiS
piraniaTa jiSs miekuTvneba Tavisi
sididiT da basri kbilebiT. Tevzi
iseTi sididisaa, rom mas Tavisuf-
lad SeuZlia Tavs niangsac ki da-
esxas. misi wona 45 kg-ia, sigrZe,
daaxloebiT, 2 metri. Tevzi _
mtacebeli im reptiliaTa rigs mi-
ekuTvneba, romelTa sigrZe, saSua-
lod, 145 funti, xolo sigane_ 5
metria, am jiSis Tevzebi mdinaris
namdvil mtaceblebad iTvlebian.
Tevzi-goliaTi mdinare kongos
erT-erT nairsaxeobas warmoadgens, aseTi Tevzebis 80 procents
msoflios sxva mdinareebsa da wyalsacavebSi sxvagan versad na-
xavT.
`Tevz-monstrs~, rogoric iqaurebi eZaxian, SeuZlia icur-
os yvelaze wyalmarCx mdinareebSic ki, ikvebos SedarebiT mci-
re zomis TevzebiT da icuros dinebis sawinaaRmdegod. mas Se-
uZlia daiWiros iseTi Tevzebic, romlebic wyalSi naklebi vib-
rirebiT gamoirCevian, rac maT, xSir SemTxvevaSi, SeumCnevels
xdis.
kongoSi 686 jiSis Tevzi binadrobs. amitomac veluri bu-
nebis dacvis saerTaSoriso fondi gansakuTrebiT icavs am mdi-
nares da masSi mobinadre Tevzebs, wyalmcenareebs da mdinaris
sxva sicocxlisunarian organizmebs.
magaliTad, cxenisebur Tevzs, romelic aq binadrobs, kud-
ze eleqtruli organo aqvs, romelic mas navigaciasa da mas-
Tan dakavSirebuli problemebis Tavidan acilebaSi exmareba.
oohh,, eess ttaattuu!!barselonas klinikis TanamSromlebi
iuwyebian, rom bolo wlebSi tatuire-
bis mocilebis msurvelTa ricxvi 81
procentiT gaizarda. erTi kvadratuli
tatuirebis mocileba 200 evro Rirs,
xolo ufro farTo da feradi tatui-
rebisa _ 1500 evromde.
`tatuirebis mocileba ufro mtkiv-
neuli da Zviria, vidre misi gakeTeba~,
_ ambobs klinikis direqtori rafael
serena.
`erTxel mamakaci movida, romelsac
surda mogvecilebina mis tanze amosvi-
ringebuli eSmakis gamosaxuleba, imi-
tom, rom adgilobrivi mRvdeli mas ek-
lesiaSi ar uSvebda salocavad. am naxatis mocilebas didi
dro dasWirda, medikosebma ofli Rvares, pacienti Zlivs gada-
urCa sikvdils~, _ acxadebs rafael serena.
qqiiSSmmiiSSii ggaassuuqqeebbiissggaann iiccaavvss??qiSmiSi erT-erTi
msuye sakvebia, rome-
lic SegiZliaT miir-
TvaT da daganayrebT.
axali kvlevebis
mixedviT, romelic
kanadis kvebis cent-
ris TanamSromlebma
Caatares, aRmoCnda,
rom 8-11 wlamde bav-
Svebs, romlebic cd-
ispirebad hyavdaT, kvebavdnen mxolod qiSmiSiT, yurZniT, kar-
tofilis CipsebiT da Sokoladis namcxvrebiT, aRmoCnda, rom
qiSmiSis mWamelebi ufro danayrebulni iyvnen, vidre sxva da-
narCeni sakvebiT dakmayofilebulni. aRmoCnda, rom qiSmiSi ada-
mians anayrebs, ar asuqebs, unarCunebs wonas da janmrTelobas.
rriiTT ggaannssxxvvaavvddeebbaa ssiiyyvvaarruullii ddaa sseeqqssii??konkordiis universi-
tetis TanamSromlebi
karga xans ikvlevdnen,
ra iwvevs siyvaruls da
seqsualur moTxovnile-
bebs. kvlevaSi moxalise-
ebi monawileobdnen, ro-
melTac aCvenebdnen sayva-
reli adamianebis foto-
ebs, Semdeg axdendnen ma-
Ti tvinis skanirebas.
aRmoCnda, rom seqsua-
luri moTxovnilebebi
tvinSi msgavsia, rogorc
Wamis moTxovnileba.
siyvarulis grZnoba
dajildoebisa da kmayo-
filebis grZnobis identuria. siyvarulis grZnoba yvelaze me-
tad eqvemdebareba miCvevas da igi narkodamokidebuliviT mijaW-
vulia identur SegrZnebebze.
moamzada ana vadaWkoriam
amave nomris skanvordis pasuxebi:skanvordi
11.. nniikkaarraagguuaa.. 22.. bboollttoonnii.. 33.. bbiillii.. 44..
lleennddrroovveerrii.. 55.. oorriinnookkoo.. 66.. mmoohhiikkaannii.. 77..
lloorraannii.. 88.. lloorrddoozzii.. 99.. oozzii.. 1100.. nnuummiizz-
mmaattiikkaa.. 1111.. SSttaazzii.. 1122.. CCooggaannii.. 1133.. aavvrroorraa..
1144.. rroodd.. 1155.. rraakkrraakkii.. 1166.. RRuuRRuunnii.. 1177.. RRaa-
zzaa.. 1188.. mmaarrkkoonnii.. 1199.. ggrriivvnnaa.. 2200.. kkuurrttaakkii..
2211.. aarraaJJaannii.. 2222.. kkaarruuzzoo.. 2233.. pprriikkaazzii.. 2244..
kkoonnssiieerrJJii.. 2255.. ppaaiikkii.. 2266.. ppaarrii.. 2277.. kkaaiissaa..
2288.. ggaassmmaannii.. 2299.. ppaannaaggiiaa.. 3300.. nniimmeeiieerrii.. 3311..
kkaappoottii.. 3322.. iioonniikkaa.. 3333.. aannttrraaSSaa..3344.. iippoo..
3355.. aarriiTTmmiiaa.. 3366.. iinnttuuiicciiaa.. 3377.. ssiilliikkoozzii..
3388.. llaaggoommaajjoorree.. 3399.. ttaannggeennssii.. 4400.. lleevvii-
llii.. 4411.. aaffrriikkaaaannssii.. 4422.. aarraammeeuullii.. 4433.. TTee-
aattrraallii.. 4444.. xxeeSSeeSSii.. 4455.. jjaakkaarrttaa.. 4466..
ttrraallii.. 4477.. rriiaallii.. 4488.. SSaammffuurrii.. 4499.. rraaff-
lleezziiaa.. 5500.. uuffsskkrruullii.. 5511.. ddiillaa.. 5522.. ddaa-
mmaa.. 5533.. SSrriiaallii.. 5544.. tteessllaa.. 5555 lluuii.. 5566..
ttrraabbaaxxii.. 5577.. sseenneekkaa.. 5588.. eessmmaa.. 5599.. bbiimmeettaa-
llii.. 6600.. ssvvaavvii.. 6611.. bbaarrtteerrii.. 6622.. ssvveemmaa.. 6633..
ssaaiiddaa.. 6644.. xxuuaannxxee.. 6655.. nnoovveellaa.. 6666.. aavvsstt-
rraalliiaa.. 6677.. xxookkeerrii..
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rom gwamdes - unda daijero, rom gjerodes - unda
gindodes, madli rom moipovo - unda gsurdes. qarT-
velno, erTad RvTisaken!
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