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"¿Cómo saber dónde no llevar (o sólo

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respuestas (y un Diagrama!)

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p o r t a d o r o c u l t o , q u e e s s i e m p r e u n a p a u s a m o m e n t á n e a y a q u e t r a t a m o s d e a v e r i g u a r a u n a d i s t a n c i a

s i l a p r e m i s a d e q u e e s t a m o s e n t r a n d o e n u n a " z o n a l i b r e d e a r m a s " . T o d o l o q u e s a b e m o s " z o n a s

l i b r e s d e a r m a s " s o n u n a r c o i r i s u n i c o r n i o p o o p i n g e s p e c i e d e m i t o , p e r o c a s i n i n g u n o d e n o s o t r o s

e s t á n d e s e o s o s d e t e n e r q u e h a b l a r n u e s t r o c a m i n o a t r a v é s d e f o r m a s i g i l o s a .

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¿ C ó m o s a b e s d ó n d e n o s e d e b e l l e v a r o s ó l o b u s c a r s i g n o s ?

O b t e n e m o s e s t a p r e g u n t a m u c h o y p e n s a m o s q u e e r a h o r a d e d a r l e s u p r o p i o a r t í c u l o . D e s d e l u e g o

n o e s u n a m a l a p r e g u n t a . P a r a l o s p o r t a d o r e s o c u l t o s q u e t u v i e r o n q u e p a s a r p o r u n e n t r e n a m i e n t o

o b l i g a t o r i o p a r a s u p r o c e s o d e a p l i c a c i ó n , n o e r a p r o b a b l e u n a e x t e n s a s e c c i ó n d e d i c a d a a l a s l e y e s

d e l e s t a d o e n d o n d e s e p u e d e y n o p u e d e l l e v a r s e l e g a l m e n t e s u p i s t o l a o c u l t a .

C a d a e s t a d o v a a s e r d i f e r e n t e d e l o s i g u i e n t e :

i g l e s i a s

A l g u n o s e s t a d o s l e p e r m i t e n l l e v a r a l a i g l e s i a . L o u i s i a n a , p o r e j e m p l o , r e q u i e r e u n p o c o d e c e r t i f i c a d o

d e f o r m a c i ó n e s p e c i a l , a d e m á s d e u n p e r m i s o d e p o r t e o c u l t o . O t r o s e s t a d o s d e j a n q u e s e a e l p a s t o r

o e l p r o p i e t a r i o d e l a i g l e s i a p a r a d e c i d i r s i s e p e r m i t e o n o e l p o r t e o c u l t o . M i c h i g a n e s u n e j e m p l o d e

u n e s t a d o q u e n o p e r m i t e l l e v a r o c u l t a e n l a s i g l e s i a s o l u g a r e s d e c u l t o ( a m e n o s q u e l o s p e r m i t i d o s

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A l g u n o s e s t a d o s t i e n e n a l g u n a r e g l a a r b i t r a r i a s o b r e e l p o r c e n t a j e d e l o s i n g r e s o s d e l e s t a b l e c i m i e n t o

h a c e f u e r a d e l a l c o h o l c o m o u n i n d i c a d o r d e s i o n o q u e e l e s t a b l e c i m i e n t o e s u n b a r . A l g u n o s e s t a d o s

t i e n e n n i n g u n a l e y s o b r e l a b e b i d a y l l e v a n d o o c u l t o s .

á r e a p ú b l i c a d e a e r o p u e r t o s

F l o r i d a n o p e r m i t e e x p l í c i t a m e n t e q u e u n a p e r s o n a p a r a l l e v a r o c u l t a e n l a s z o n a s c o m u n e s , s i n

g a r a n t í a d e u n a e r o p u e r t o . N e v a d a , s i n e m b a r g o , s e p u e d e . D e b i d o a q u e e s d i f í c i l s a b e r c u á l e s s e r á n

l a s r e g l a s , l o m e j o r e s c o n s u l t a r c o n l a l e y d e l e s t a d o d e l a e r o p u e r t o d e d e s t i n o .

L a s z o n a s e s c o l a r e s

L a l e y f e d e r a l e s t a b l e c e q u e l o s s e r v i c i o s d e e d u c a c i ó n p r i m a r i a y s e c u n d a r i a e s t a t a l e s e s t á n

p r o t e g i d o s p o r l a l e y f e d e r a l c u a n d o s e t r a t a d e u n a d e s i g n a c i ó n d e " l i b r e d e a r m a s " . E l e s t a d o , s i n

e m b a r g o , t i e n e l a o p c i ó n d e i m p o n e r m e d i d a s a d i c i o n a l e s . E s t a s m e d i d a s , c o m o e n M i c h i g a n ,

e s t i p u l a r q u e p u e d e n y n o p u e d e n l l e v a r a l a p r o p i e d a d e s c o l a r y c u á l e s s o n l a s r e g l a s p a r a e s o . E n

M i c h i g a n , s i e s t á a u t o r i z a d o p a r a l l e v a r u n a r m a d e f u e g o o c u l t a o t e n e r p e r m i s o s / e x c e p c i o n e s

e s p e c i a l e s , s e l e p e r m i t e e n t r a r e n u n a z o n a e s c o l a r c o n u n a r m a d e f u e g o .

E s e n o e s e l m i s m o e n t o d a s p a r t e s q u e v a y a . M a r y l a n d t i e n e r e g l a s m u c h o m á s e s t r i c t a s q u e r e g u l a n

l a s a r m a s d e f u e g o a l r e d e d o r d e l a s e s c u e l a s . E s o e s i r ó n i c o y t r i s t e n o p a r e c e n c o n s i d e r a r l o s í n d i c e s

d e c r i m i n a l i d a d e n t o r n o a e s a s e s c u e l a s a s e r a f e c t a d o s e n e x c e s o .

L o s c a m p u s u n i v e r s i t a r i o s

C u a n d o s e t r a t a d e u n a e s c u e l a f i n a n c i a d a p o r e l e s t a d o , c o m o l a U n i v e r s i d a d E s t a t a l d e O h i o o l o q u e

s e a , e l E s t a d o t i e n e l a p r i m e r a r e i v i n d i c a c i ó n d e s i s o n o n o r e c o n o c e n e l d e r e c h o d e l i n d i v i d u o p a r a

l l e v a r u n a r m a d e f u e g o o c u l t a e n l a p r o p i e d a d d e l c a m p o . O h i o e s u n e j e m p l o g r a c i o s o p o r q u e O h i o

e s u n o d e l o s p o c o s e s t a d o s d o n d e l l e v a n d o o c u l t o s e n e l c a m p u s e s i l e g a l a m e n o s q u e u s t e d s e

e s t á m o v i e n d o a u n c o n t e n e d o r s e g u r o e n u n v e h í c u l o .

E s t a c i o n e s d e p o l i c í a

E n a l g u n o s e s t a d o s , e s i l e g a l l l e v a r u n a r m a d e f u e g o o c u l t a e n u n a e s t a c i ó n d e p o l i c í a . L o m i s m o

e x i s t e p a r a l a c i u d a d d e M a d i s o n , W i s c o n s i n , y a f i r m ó d e m a n e r a s i m i l a r p o r l a s p o l i c í a d e l e s t a d o d e

M i c h i g a n . E s t o p u e d e n o s e r c i e r t o p a r a t o d o s l o s l u g a r e s , p e r o l a s e s t a c i o n e s d e p o l i c í a s u e l e n s e r

s i n c e r o c o n l a s n o r m a s q u e r i g e n l a r e a l i z a c i ó n a r m a s d e f u e g o o c u l t a s e n e l l o s .

E s t a d i o s o a r e n a s p ú b l i c a s

C i u d a d a n o s d e K e n t u c k y e s t á n a c t u a l m e n t e a s e d i a d o p o r e l d e r e c h o a l l e v a r o c u l t a e n e l K F C Y u m !

e s t a d i o . D e a c u e r d o c o n s u l e g i s l a c i ó n e s t a t a l , f i n a n c i a d o c o n f o n d o s p ú b l i c o s a r e n a s y e s t a d i o s n o

e s t á n a u t o r i z a d o s p a r a r e s t r i n g i r e l p o r t e o c u l t o . L a N F L y M L B t o d a v í a e s t á n d i s p u t a n d o c a d a c u a l l o

q u e p u e d a n . T e x a s e s o t r o e j e m p l o . M i e n t r a s q u e a l g u n o s d e l o s e s t a d o s , d e f o r m a e x p l í c i t a , m a l a

p r á c t i c a d e n e g o c i o s p u e d e n t r a t a r d e p r o h i b i r l a . S e a c o n s e j a l a d i s c r e c i ó n d e l e s p e c t a d o r .

L o s e d i f i c i o s m u n i c i p a l e s o e s t a t a l e s

P a r a l a s g r a n d e s c i u d a d e s m e t r o p o l i t a n a s , p e r m i s o s d e p o r t a c i ó n o c u l t a n o n e c e s a r i a m e n t e s e

e x t i e n d e n h a c i a e l a y u n t a m i e n t o . E s o n o e s c i e r t o e n T e x a s y n o e s c i e r t o e n l u g a r e s c o m o I o w a .

D i c h o e s t o , s i n o e s t á s e g u r o - c h e q u e . C o m o r e g l a g e n e r a l , e l s i t i o w e b d e l a p o l i c í a d e l e s t a d o p a r a

c a s i c u a l q u i e r e s t a d o d e l a U n i ó n t e n d r á p o r l o m e n o s a l g o d e l a s e c c i ó n a s i g n a d a a p r e g u n t a s

f r e c u e n t e s y / o l i m i t a c i o n e s d e p o r t a c i ó n o c u l t a . E n c a s o d e d u d a , d i s p a r a r s o b r e u n c o r r e o

e l e c t r ó n i c o c o n l a p r e g u n t a . C o m o m í n i m o , e l l o s s u e l e n r e s p o n d e r c o n l a l e y e s p e c í f i c a o u n a

r e s p u e s t a s i m p l i f i c a d a .

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L u g a r e s d o n d e p o r l o g e n e r a l e s s i e m p r e r e s t r i n g i d a ( n o

s e r c o n p e r m i s o e x p r e s o p r e v i o )

E s t a e s u n a l i s t a g e n e r a l d e l u g a r e s q u e s o n m u y e x p l í c i t o s e n s u s p r o c e d i m i e n t o s p a r a l l e v a r u n a r m a

d e f u e g o e n s u s l o c a l e s . S i e s t á s e n d u d a o n o e s t á d e a c u e r d o , s i e m p r e e s r e c o m e n d a b l e q u e

c o n s u l t e c o n l a i n s t a l a c i ó n d e p r i m e r a a n t e s d e e n t r a r e n s u s l o c a l e s c o n u n a r m a d e f u e g o c a r g a d a .

c á r c e l e s

e d i f i c i o s f e d e r a l e s ( o f i c i n a s d e c o r r e o s , d e l F B I , e l D H S , e t c . )

L a s p r i s i o n e s f e d e r a l e s y e s t a t a l e s

E s t a c i o n e s d e A m t r a k

á r e a s d e s e g u r i d a d d e u n a e r o p u e r t o

L a s i n s t a l a c i o n e s n u c l e a r e s

B a s e s m i l i t a r e s

i n s t a l a c i o n e s p r o t e g i d a s p o r e l g o b i e r n o f e d e r a l ( D e p a r t a m e n t o d e D e f e n s a , D A R P A , e t c . )

E x i s t e n p r o c e d i m i e n t o s p a r a l a m a y o r í a d e e s t o s l u g a r e s , p e r o p o r l o g e n e r a l , r e q u i e r e n u n o s

p r o t o c o l o s m u y e x p l í c i t a s a n t e s . Y c o n s e g u i r r e v e n t a d o q u e l l e v a u n a r m a d e f u e g o o c u l t a e n u n

f e d e r a l m e n t e p r o t e g i d a " z o n a l i b r e d e a r m a s " l l e v a c o n s i g o l o s c a r g o s f e d e r a l e s .

N o s o t r o s h e m o s l l e g a d o c o n u n p r o c e s o b á s i c o . T e n g a e n c u e n t a q u e e n e l c a s o d e l o s b i e n e s d e

p r o p i e d a d p r i v a d a , q u e e s a s u d i s c r e c i ó n p a r a p e r m i t i r l e a s a b i e n d a s e n s u s i n s t a l a c i o n e s c o n u n

a c a r r e o p i s t o l a o c u l t a . A l g u n o s e s t a d o s p u e d e n i n c l u s o r e q u e r i r q u e u s t e d n o t i f i q u e a u n d u e ñ o d e

c a s a s i u s t e d e s t á l l e v a n d o . H a g a s u i n v e s t i g a c i ó n .

E n c a s o d e d u d a , l a p r e s e n c i a d e s i g n o s e n l a s p u e r t a s y e n t r a d a s . C u a l q u i e r p e r s o n a i n f l e x i b l e a c e r c a

d e n o l l e v a r s u p i s t o l a o c u l t a v a a c o l o c a r s e ñ a l e s . S i s e c o g e l a s e ñ a l , t e n g a e n c u e n t a l o q u e l a l e y l o

r e s p a l d a .

S i l a l e y d e c o p i a s d e s e g u r i d a d d e e s e s i g n o e s v á l i d o , l e g a l m e n t e e s t á s o b l i g a d o a o b e d e c e r . D e l o

c o n t r a r i o , s i h a y u n p e r m i s o e s p e c i a l q u e p u e d e n o b t e n e r s e m e d i a n t e e l c u a l s e p u e d e r e a l i z a r e n l a s

i n s t a l a c i o n e s , s e p u e d e o p t a r p o r b u s c a r e s o .

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Acerca de James Inglaterra Ver todos los mensajes de James Inglaterra→

James Inglaterra es un veterano de la Infantería de Marina de la Operación Libertad Iraquí y ha

servido como un contratista de defensa en Afganistán en apoyo de la Operación Libertad

Duradera. En la actualidad es un defensor de los veteranos y de transporte constitucional en el

Estado de New Hampshire. Su diario porte oculto arma de fuego es una Glock 36 en una

Lenwood Pistoleras Specter PDI.

C o m o s i e m p r e , c u a n t o m e n o r e s e l p e r f i l s e m a n t i e n e , m á s f á c i l s e r á p a r a q u e u s t e d p u e d a l l e v a r

o c u l t a .

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Greg Smith •

One thing i do every so often is bring up the cwp laws for my state and read.It takes a little bit of

ime,but not r eal long..It's my r esponsibility to know the laws..Thankfully,they aren't to complicated in

my state.One easy one is the no gun signs for my state..There's one specific sign a business owner

has to use .The law doesn't allow them to just use any kind of no gun sign.

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MA450 •

hat law prohibits carrying in an Amtrak station? Never heard of that one and we have Amtrak

stations in MA where commuter rail also operate on the same tracks, same building . . . and I know

hat it is perfectly legal to carry on the commuter rail.

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Kevin Snyder •

Amtrak is not private, it's under Federal authority. Same law says you can't c arry in a

Federal courthouse. So you can carry on the commuter rail, but you can't carry it to the train,

if you have to use Amtrak property.

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MA450 •

Please cite the law that says if something operates under "federal authority" guns are

prohibited. Banks operate under "federal authority" but are NOT prohibited places in

MA (they are in some states). Interstate highways operate under "federal authority",

and if you have a VA or FHA loan on your home . . .

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Kevin Snyder •

Don't know the address of the law, but here is my source

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...

http://www.amtrak.com/firearms...

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MA450 •

I am well aware of both of the above. Amtrak does not own or control South

Station, Back Bay Station or Rte. 128 Station (where one can board Amtrak

rains) and there is no legal restriction on carrying at any of the above. The

restrictions are on what you can do and how wrt boarding an Amtrak train,

nothing else.

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Kevin Snyder •

If you were aware, why did you ask?

MA450 •

Because you claimed it was illegal to carry at any of the above stations, which

isn't true. I asked ou to cite a law that s ecificall stated what ou claimed.
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